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Whenever I've used DIC, I've always received a message that C2 errors are not set and that if any exist, the rip could be inaccurate. Should I do anything about this? I have a PX-716A.

Not samples, sample offset. The part in EAC called "read sample offset correction". For every one unit you change that by, 75 sectors are affected, right? Or no?

The comment is epically confusing

I totally missed this response, sorry. Just thought about using it again now and it's working! Thanks a bunch this is really nice.

Hmm, well, I don't know actually. It sounds like a demo because it's a beta, but maybe that's a strange name for a full version of the game that you could play publicly. I've also never played one. There are plenty of games marked inconsistently on the site, but it's possible they're not actually demos.

Sooooo... what's this?

www.ebay.com/itm/352151554604

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/915821- … /762789110

It appears FIFA 13 might also be the same case

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/671331- … 3/64167924

but I can't find a single copy of that one on eBay, listed or sold. These games are, to say the least, absurdly rare, but maybe the NTSC versions actually do exist. Here's something else.

I'm not going to edit the wiki, but some of those seem really pointless. There's a colossal amount of games that only have v1.01, v1.02, v1.03 etc so the guesses as to some games having a v1.00 seem really random. Ringcodes are also way more often pointless than they are an actual indication of anything. The vast majority of games with different ringcode numbers don't actually end up having different versions.

I've also looked at the data of all the games with versions higher than 1.xx that don't have a v1.xx and the only one that blatantly stood out to me as having a 1.xx is NHL Hitz 20-02 because that game's EXE date matches it's release date. It would have to have been pretty fresh out of the factory for that to be possible Outside of that, I saw no reason to suspect anything, but I'm not going to change the wiki if you like having those notations up there. They don't hurt anything. I was just trying to understand them.

One thing I am interested in though: the Midnight Club 3: DUB Edition v2.00. Guessing a v1.xx is one thing, but guessing at a v2.xx is another entirely. Are you thinking Greatest Hits or something? Or maybe you downloaded one from the internet once? That's how I knew there was a v1.xx for Bloody Roar 3 Japan.

Interesting, thanks for some of the modifiers. It would be great if you could implement modifiers for Category and Edition

IRC? Nope, I just got back into this again. I never use programs like IRC haha XD just funny timing.

Yeah, I'll buy DDR X2, but I've never heard of a $15 USD copy. They typically sell for $60 or more. Ah, but looking at that link, that was disc only. I'm actually interested in owning DDR X2 (it will complete my DDR collection), so I'd like a complete copy. That will cost me a fair chunk of change, but I'll get it eventually, and the USA set will finally at least have every individual game.

Schrodinger, I'll keep an eye out on that auction, thanks. I doubt it will go for anything remotely near that price (and also it's $20 shipping where I live), but if I can get it for a good price I'll jump on it.

I've already said the entire game, every part of it, is mint condition :S Case, booklet, obi, disc; it looks like I removed it from the shrinkwrap myself.

An algorithm that incorrectly "fixes" pregaps... when it wants to? If it's an algorithm, why doesn't it happen all the time? If the program is coded to behave this way with pregaps between data and audio sessions (tracks 1&2), then how do you explain that every other type of this CD I've ever dumped with this version never did that? If this algorithm is coded to work this way and the dumps for those CDs came out correctly, then the Ridge Racer CD must have also turned out correctly, because that's the way this algorithm works.

Anyway, I downloaded subdump, but have no idea how to use it. Does it want a disc, or does it want a file? And if so, which file? Do I give it a full image dump? And if so, which image? DIC creates multiple full image dumps, I believe 2 of them that are both the same size but have different file extensions.

Why should those be audio? Also, when I ripped the disc with that program, like I explained, I was using a newer build than anybody before me could have used. So why would their build, which was older than mine, work "correctly" while mine would have to be updated much further than theirs possibly could have been? Something's not adding up here. It also doesn't add up that it only occurred with this disc out of a countless amount of discs that I used this same version to rip. Is there something mystically different about the pregap on only Ridge Racer Japan discs? This "bug somewhere" only affected this multi-track, multi-session disc and not allllllll the others I've done? It's hard to believe.

I'm not trying to be difficult or argumentative and I apologize if I am, I just really don't understand. I don't want to get results and not understand them, or else I'm just doing what I'm told and not knowing if it's a good rip or not. This. Just. Doesn't. Make. Sense.

Uhhhh, okay... you said yourself "The version 2015 you used may exist a bug about subchannel, but I don't know because I don't see the log" so... what was that about if you don't support it? XD

And even at that rate, it's an incredibly bizarre bug because it only happened on one multi-track CD in the history of my CD dumping years, which has seen quite a few CDs, so... *shrug*

To be honest, this has kind of left me wondering if the results I got this time are more "correct" than my previous results. I mean, honestly, that version never went wrong with anything and it was a newer version than anybody who did the rips before me could have used. So, why should I believe these results over the ones I got with a version that had proven itself 100% reliable over years of usage? That version wasn't spitting out random results—I got the same exact results over two passes of ripping the same CD, so... =/ it just seems kinda weird to me.

Ah, sarami, great, just the person I need to talk to... the plot TOTALLY THICKENS.

I had another decent idea and I downloaded the newest version of DIC. Ripped the Ridge Racer disc with it and bam, my results match the database, first time. What bothered me, though, is that I was using a version of DIC that dated back to 2015. The Ridge Racer entry was created on Redump in 2008, and only last modified in 2014. That's a whole year before I got DIC, so it's impossible for anybody to have been using a version that was newer than mine. If that's the case... why would I need to update to get the same results as people using versions that could have only possibly been older than mine? Why would they get better results with older versions, yet I get the same results only when I get a newer one? The impossibility of it is rather mind-boggling.