(17 replies, posted in General discussion)

Sorry if you took disrespect to that, but it's an honest and true comment and it's not going to happen in 6 days. That's the pace of the website. It is what it is. I guess fuzzball's no stranger to that though given that he has verifications from 8 months ago.

I just find it a little surprising that so much time goes by and so many members join and yet nobody has been brought on to help with the massive backlog. It's a little hard to believe that nobody is qualified. I know nobody is getting paid to do it, but sometimes it seems like nobody cares whether or not any of it ever gets finished. At this point I have over 200 dumps I've collected in txt files that I haven't submitted because I kind of don't think they'll ever see the light of day. Some of these I finished months ago, when I first joined the site, and I bet they still wouldn't have made it to the website.

Please understand that it's a bit frustrating to spend time contributing to the website, looking up all the ring codes, formatting all the posts, and then pretty much know that your data may not ever be added to the database at all. If you guys are so backed up, honestly, get some help.


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You thought it was going to get fixed in... what has it been... 6 days now? I submitted a few dumps 2 weeks ago and I'm still waiting on those, I wouldn't hold your breath.

Goodness gracious, how cryptic. Not only is it historical usage, it's only for certain words. Jeez.

Thank you. When the whole internet has that same spelling, I knew I had to be missing something, I just couldn't see what it was. So when I said it's certainly not the  'u' in omou, I guess that's where I was wrong tongue

The subtitle is 君想フ声. Everywhere on the internet has Kimi Omou Koe. I'd like someone to help me understand this.

君 = kimi
想 = sou/omo(u)
フ = fu <--- where did this go???
声 = koe

So the フ character apparently disappeared...? It's certainly not the  'u' in omou, which by the way is usually written as 想う and not just 想. 想い would also be omoi so I don't see too many instances where 想 alone ends in a 'u', in fact I see none...


(6 replies, posted in General discussion)

Cool, and I'll list everything. We could certainly include voice-over information in the comments field if nothing else. So something like this?


DOA2: Hardcore

SLUS 20071
BIOS Language support:
  checked: English, French, Spanish, German, Italian, Dutch, Portuguese

In-game Language option: Yes
  English, French, German, Italian, Spanish

In-game Voice option: Yes
  English, Japanese


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Ah I see. Thanks.

Just gotta say, I think it's kind of weird to add voice-over options in the Language field on Redump for a game. It doesn't mean the game is in that language. For example if I'm a native Japanese speaker/reader and a game is marked with Japanese as a language, if I go play that game I probably can hardly navigate my way around because it's not really in Japanese, only the voice overs are. I still can't understand the menus, what things I'm selecting/using, etc so the game is still fairly difficult to play.


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Okay... so BIOS would be if the game supports a change of language through the BIOS setting, options menu text/speech would be if you can change those things via an options menu... what would be "selector" and "options menu main"?


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I'm checking languages for the games I own using the PS2 BIOS setting. With a game like DOA2: Hardcore, language selection is also available in the option menu. However, I have a question about what "language" really is. DOA2: Hardcore offers an actual LANGUAGE option, which changes the language of the text, and a VOICE option which changes the language of the voice-overs. Which are we supposed to mark for the Languages field here on Redump? Text, voice, or both?




TV Anime
"PoPoLoCrois Monogatari"
Promotion Movie

Yokokuban translates as "preliminary version."

This website can be a valuable tool when it comes to getting Japanese text.
It has a pretty high accuracy, but sometimes it fails to understand a picture at all. Plugging that picture in, I got 98% accuracy, it only messed up the モ character, which is easy to get from

Yeah that's really what I'm talking about tongue

It just doesn't make a lot of sense. "Our goal is to preserve game release pressings" so we write some things exactly as they appear and others how they actually don't appear at all by adding text that doesn't exist. Then titles are standardized.


I'm not going to leave the website over it though. The most important part still remains the same and that is hashes. You just sometimes wish that some of the other stuff made more sense.

I also find it a little bit funny that we go through all this trouble to write stuff like serial numbers and ring codes "exactly as they appear" but then don't do this for titles roll

Serial number hyphens but no mention of adding phantom "IFPI" text to NTSC-J mould codes? Actually I don't know, can't read the original post to see if you mentioned it, but serial number hyphens are at least an attempt to show what is written on the actual product. This entry says "IFPI 45U1" for the mould SID code and it's just a flagrant lie because that literally is not written on the disc, it's only "45U1". It's not even arguably correct that we add "IFPI" there, it is simply and factually incorrect and there's no argument for it. And then we don't even add NULL data for fields that should contain it, we just omit it and make it look like the submitter himself omitted it as well. Then how do we know that the submitter didn't just miss it? Well, we don't.

My point to saying all this: sure, we could improve some things still, and I always hope that Redump will choose to improve them. But at the end of the day we are submitting to the only database that allows people to check your hashes for images. All serial number, ring code, and any other second-priority crap aside, this database is the only one that does what it does and it's pretty cool and special to be able to submit to it. Even if some things are wrong, the important stuff is right. As a fellow dumper I would hope that you could just see past the imperfections to be able to contribute to a database that's doing an awesome thing, but if little things like serial number hyphens (which aren't even really that inaccurate...) bother you that much, I guess it's sadly your choice.

Nice additions GreyFox! Looks like you pretty much targeted CD-ROM games. I'm looking forward to when at least one version of every PS2 USA game has been dumped. I'll have to stop buying so many NTSC-J games at some point and pick up some of the last remaining few.

MigaMan wrote:

Someone needs to grant this guy mod status STAT!

tongue Of course I'm kind of new here so I don't expect to be given any special privileges so early, but I'm always available to help with PS2 if the staff wants it.

Oh, no need for me to browse the forum to know. I was given dumper status when I joined, submitted some dumps, then was asked to post verifications before I added any more dumps. Kind of confusing when the dumps end up sitting there for almost two full months now.

Sorry to complain, I still love the site and will still contribute, but sometimes I wonder what good it does. I only have... 291 more dumps to submit? I don't suppose I'll hurry to submit those.

Anyway, thanks for the info, I'll edit the post, and maybe someday check for more Limited Editions that may not be on Redump. Odd that American Wasteland matches original version rather than GH version, but I guess these are the mysteries of PS2 releases.

Probably a futile note to make but: if there's something I can do to get PS2 USA/JPN verifications on the site, please let me know. And I don't just mean mine, I'm willing to help get all PS2 USA/JPN verifications up. I know nothing of PAL but I know a lot about USA/JPN PS2 games, I'd say I'm as much an expert on those categories as anybody here on the website. I have an absurd amount of free time too so please let me know if I can help.

Here's a bit more missing Limited Edition info. I only searched my SLUS list for the word edition; I searched no SCUS numbers or games lists, so I'd imagine I'm leaving some out, but it's still a bit more.

Marc Ecko's Getting Up: Contents Under Pressure
- We have the "Making of" DVD that comes with the Limited Edition, but the game dump is only marked Original.
- The Limited Edition has a different serial number, SLUS 21294 vs. SLUS 21032.
EDIT: Dumped in a verification post somewhere and matches the original version according to GreyFox.

Tony Hawk's American Wasteland
- We have the Greatest Hits version, which mentions that the EXE serial is SLUS_212.95, which is the same as the Collector's Edition.
- The Collector's Edition does indeed have a different serial number, SLUS 21295 vs. SLUS 21208.
EDIT: Dumped in a verification post somewhere and matches the original version according to GreyFox.

The Sopranos: Road to Respect
- No mention of the Limited Edition is on the database.
- The Limited Edition has a different serial number, SLUS 21549 vs. SLUS 21388.

So, shrugface. It's something smile

Yeah, many times I wish I had been into collecting PS2 games back when they were being released (I'm sure many of us do) because for some games it's pretty much only possible to know what version you're getting if you were to buy it brand new on a store shelf.

My list doesn't include non-original editions, so there are certainly many more missing GH/Limited/Premium/Ultimate/Catastrophic editions of PS2 USA games that Redump is missing. My apologies that I don't care to make a list as it would take combing through the entire database all over again tongue Maybe someone else can make a list for people who are into the limited editions. I was just sort of selfishly documenting the stuff we're missing that I'm personally interested in smile

Excellent, glad to know the PS2 USA list is coming closer to completion! These are the games GameFAQs lists in their USA list but are not really USA releases:

Aliens in the Attic
FIFA Soccer 13
Garfield: A Tale of Two Kitties
Gene Troopers
In the Groove 2
Jelly Belly: Ballistic Beans
M&M's Adventure
Robot Wars: Arenas of Destruction
World Racing 2
Worms Blast
Yamaha Supercross

I hope I didn't miss one. It feels kind of like I did since I had been deleting them previously without listing them, then made the list later, but I think I went back over well so hopefully I didn't miss any. As for games without an original dump, they are: (UPDATED AS OF 2017-09-10)

ATV Offroad Fury 3 [SCUS 97405]
Buzz! The Hollywood Quiz [SCUS 97633]
Buzz! The Mega Quiz [SCUS 97601]
Disney/Pixar Cars [SLUS 21151]
Freekstyle [SLUS 20367]
Hitman: Blood Money [SLUS 21108]
Hitman: Contracts [SLUS 20882]
Jaws Unleashed [SLUS 21062]
KOF: Maximum Impact [SLUS 20923]
LEGO Batman: The Videogame [SLUS 21785]
Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence [SLUS 21243]
NBA Street [SLUS 20187]
Nicktoons Unite! [SLUS 21284]
Over the Hedge [SLUS 21300]
Pac-Man World 3 [SLUS 21219]
Scarface: The World Is Yours [SLUS 21111]
Shadow the Hedgehog [SLUS 21261]
Shin Megami Tensei Devil Summoner 2: Raidou Kuzunoha vs. King Abaddon [SLUS 21845]
Shrek 2 [SLUS 20745] (claims to have an original dump, but only has a Greatest Hits serial number?)
Sonic Heroes [SLUS 20718]
Spy Hunter [SLUS 20056]
The Sims 2 [SLUS 21265]
Tony Hawk's Underground [SLUS 20731]
Toy Story 3 [SLUS 21931]
WWF SmackDown! Just Bring It [SLUS 20316]

- Some of these can probably be ignored, like Buzz! which aren't "original" version dumps because they are the "controller bundle" version dumps which are very rarely any different (actually I can't remember one that was ever different).

- Some of these come from limited editions, which occasionally contain additional content not found in the originals. I don't know if that's the case for any of the games mentioned here.

- Pac-Man World 3 is marked "original" but the serial number has P3 at the end which indicates it's part of the Pac-Man Power Pack. The Crash Bandicoot Action Pack shared this exact same behavior with serial numbers. The dumper probably bought a copy of Pac-Man World 3 that someone was selling separately even though it had originally come in the Power Pack, so it looked like an original release.

This list naturally excludes the 4 games which only have Greatest Hits releases:

Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening - Special Edition [SLUS 21361GH]
Midnight Club 3: DUB Edition Remix [SLUS 21355GH]
Namco Museum 50th Anniversary [SLUS 20273GH]
Virtua Fighter 4: Evolution [SLUS 20616GH]

As well as the version of Silent Hill 2 sometimes referred to as "Director's Cut", which is really just a Greatest Hits release of the game that includes added content. So if you see these games and notice that we only have Greatest Hits releases dumped, that's why smile

There are 36 total. The Redump Wiki page only lists 11 so it's clearly pretty incomplete itself :P someone can update it if they please. This list of games is confirmed by me cross-checking every single PS2 game on GameFAQs with Redump and then looking up missing games on eBay. There were 11 games on GameFAQs for which a USA release just simply doesn't exist, but I've confirmed all these games exist, so this should be the complete list of missing PS2 games. UPDATED AS OF 2017-11-02

We got them all! :)

There are also 33 or so games that only have Greatest Hits or other non-original versions dumped, but at least we have some version of that game so I haven't listed them as I don't think people care as much about those cases.

Ah man, don't even remind me of the scanner thing, I bought a $270 scanner and the carriage stopped re-adjusting correctly within the first 5 scans. Returned it and bought a $90 scanner and holy crap, those were the worst scans I had ever seen. My problem is that I just can't find a quality Contact Image Sensor scanner. Charge-Coupled Device? Sure, but then enjoy having rainbow crap all over your disc scans. CCD can't scan that surface for beans, but any CIS scanner I buy is cursed. I'll try another scanner later on and I will get some scans up though (at least that's my hope).

In the meantime, I'm going to submit some verifications for discs like I was asked. I'm going to submit some with different edition, but the same hashes, so it's not a new entry but you can add the "Original" edition to the entry when I'm done smile

Well, let me give you an example: Eternal Ring has a submission with just a Mastering Code and a toolstamp. This is probably a correct submission since it is a very old game. But have you ever seen a USA PS2 game without a toolstamp? Preposterous, isn't it? Well, I have one, and it's Eternal Ring. That's right, it only has a PDSS code (Mastering Code). No toolstamp, no IFPIs, nothing else. This is a very unique submission. But if I submit like this and nothing gets a NULL value, you just see an incredibly incomplete looking submission. And why does it look incomplete? Because you didn't fill in all the fields with their proper data, even if that proper data is NULL.

I mean of course you're right that anything could have an error. That's not what reliability is when it comes to data though. We always take any submitted data at its word. It would be no different for a NULL submission. The problem with purposely excluding NULL values from an entry is that the missing field is not submitted at all. For all we know, the submitter completely missed that field and maybe there was something there. Then none of it is reliable because none of it is complete; every single given entry could be missing data and we don't know it. By including NULL data, you are honoring that the submitter knew of its existence, looked for it, and found nothing, rather than just not looking for it at all.

That's the only point I'm trying to make smile

Well that's a shame, they'll never be complete/reliable that way. This looks like when the hyphen was added to every serial number, and now we have several thousand serial numbers to correct over time because we decided to do it that way for so long. And the longer it takes to add NULL information to ring codes, the more incomplete data that piles up... but maybe you won't decide to add that information at all.

I don't mean to impose, it just seems a shame to purposely exclude data. NULL isn't the absence of data, it's quite the opposite.

EDIT: Respectfully, this also makes the script that determines whether or not a ring code field is "incomplete or improperly formed" not only completely useless, but actually detrimental, because it will report this for ring code fields that are both complete and properly formed since, as acknowledged in another thread, the script behaves this way when there certain fields are absent of any data. If you had this NULL data, you would be filling those fields in properly and then the script, as well as anyone looking at the entry, would know that certain fields were not simply missed. But without doing this, the script is actually giving faulty reports about the reliability of data and so it is actually what is unreliable.

I can do whatever you ask, you're the boss smile Is there something wrong with my submissions?

Also, I'm still confused about adding the NULL information because I added it to all of my recent submissions and yet none of them are showing NULL in those spots. The DVDs should have NULL in the Toolstamp and Mastering SID Code fields and the CDs should have NULL in the Toolstamp field only. So again, it just looks like that information was potentially left out. That's why I'm asking why we don't add it. It looks incomplete without it.

Oh, okay. I asked if I should add the null spots and the answer was that I should just leave them alone so I'm a bit confused now. But anyway, I included them in my recent dumps. Would somebody be kind enough to mark the missing spots in my Evergrace and Sorcerous Stabber Orphen dumps as NULL? It's everything else: toolstamp and all IFPI (SID) codes.

Seriously? Shoot, sorry about that. 1.50.

By the way, regarding ring codes, I think it's very odd that we don't mark some areas as NULL when there's no data there. By not doing so, it makes it look like the dumper maybe just didn't do it right, like maybe he missed that field or something. Some examples are my dumps for Sorcerous Stabber Orphen and Evergrace NTSC-J; they look incomplete if we don't mark that those areas are NULL. Why don't we add that information?


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ATV Offroad Fury 2 had a Not For Retail version that had a different catalog number - it was bundled with a Network Adaptor so you could play online. I wonder what the other version for Big Mutha Truckers could be. Or maybe there isn't one and something weird just happened with the numbers. I don't really know how it works. It seems they have to register the number when they start making the game, not when it's released, because the numbers certainly don't follow chronological order. Maybe something weird happened with SLUS-20291 and so they used SLUS-20605, but the file was still titled SLUS-20291.

But then I really don't know how it works big_smile