忍 shows up behind the logo but I don't know where it comes from, no pronunciation of that character is "kunoichi" and the spine uses the hiragana.

Should we change it to くのいち without the dashes?

I have never understood why having less of this type of information is good. People want to add a million-character-long string of characters like "En,Fr,Es,Jp,Ah,Uv,Il,Tx,Pv,Is" to a filename because it the game has some language choices, but a version number which is like four characters long we don't want to add. Why not? It's not like you can even search "Fr" in the filenames and only come up with games that include French because the string "Fr" is way too common... so we could argue that it's preeeeeeeetty useless to add those strings... but then for version numbers we ask "why would we do that."

But then I'm trying to figure out the logic of a project that goes back like 15 years which is kind of silly, no offense to anyone. It starts out one way and then people don't want to have to change x amount of years of naming conventions, and also opinions, etc. But I think leaving out the version numbers was always a huge mistake. I personally add them to every file I get when it makes it to my hard drive.

EDIT: Re-worded the first sentence and to explain it... a version number is identifying information about what you're playing, and to assume that something doesn't have a different version is very foolish. I came around and dumped a 1.10 of TimeSplitters 6 years after the 2.00 had been dumped, and to my knowledge it wasn't "obvious" or "known" that there was a 1.10; both are black label and plenty of games exist with versions higher than 1.xx without a 1.xx—THAT WE KNOW OF. That's the whole point. Then you just have to go back changing all the games that we find new versions for. It's a bit of a silly method and to... what, save like 5 characters off the filename?

Yeah, I'm... not giving up on it. Seriously, I'm starting to think about buying copy after copy. I don't know what it is about it, but I feel like I should be able to find this one.

Just to let you guys know, I've already hassled virtually every seller on eBay selling a copy of this game asking them to supply information about the ringcode, so if anyone was going to get the idea to do that... please don't, it will just hassle them again lol (Not that I think anyone was going to do this, but...)

By the way, of the several that have answered, every single one has reported a 1 being after the PTRM-002565 Mastering Code. I'm really starting to think it's just another one of these stupid discs not properly identified by a 2 and that I'll have to buy every copy on eBay to find this stupid v1.03.

Early this year, Gensou Suikoden IV's edition was changed from Original, like it had always been, to Shokai Seisanban. However, the serial is SLPM 65600. I have strong doubts that Shokai Seisanban is correct. … en-iv/data … /13/70239m … n/13/7093y … 65599.html … 65600.html

Even Playstation's own catalog listing confirms it. Read what it says in SLPM-65600:
Clear art package specification. It will be a double jacket using illustrations written down on the reverse side.

And from SLPM-65599:
Premium package,
"Character illustration & setting material collection"
"Emblem of punishment Luminous key holder"
It is a clear art package specification.

Both have the clear cases. Was this changed just because it came in a clear case? Or is there some very strong evidence that SLPM-65600 is actually the limited edition? 99.9% of the time the lower number of two serial numbers is the limited edition and this looks to be one of those cases...


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Remove the first colon from the Japanese title please. It's not present in the Japanese title and we don't mystically add colons to Japanese titles like we do to English titles.

Also, that colon after Biohazard is the ugliest thing ever, but what are you gonna do, I guess roll

Probably missing, or probably that disc is the same as the eBay one? I noticed that entry, but it doesn't have Español as the language. But I guess it being a Spanish import doesn't mean it's a different version with Español in the game, or even that the person selling it knows what s/he is talking about tongue

Has anyone dumped that yet? I don't see it on Redump or on the list of missing PAL games. I ask because it says Spanish import in the listing.

I don't see it on the missing list. But, shouldn't there be one? We have v1.01 in the database.

And it's marked 0-01 on the discs. There might be a 0-00 out there somewhere... at least worth adding with a (?) at the end maybe.


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Whenever I've used DIC, I've always received a message that C2 errors are not set and that if any exist, the rip could be inaccurate. Should I do anything about this? I have a PX-716A. … _front.jpg … -l1600.jpg

Not a mention of "Looney Tunes" in the title anywhere. Where does it come from? Just because it's a game with Looney Tunes characters? That doesn't make it part of the title :<

Okay, question about another audio disc comment.

"Last 48 bytes of Track 25 filled with 00"

This comment, respectfully, makes no sense. The last 48 bytes are not filled with 00. The disc was created with a +18 offset. If you rip the disc with a +30 offset, then sure, you'll have some extra silent samples, but... they're extra. Why would you increase the offset further than the actual data on the disc exists?

+18 is a ridiculously common offset. Off the top of my head, basically every King Records CD ever has an offset of +18. Why do people insist on ripping every CD with the same offset? That's only taking their drive's offset into account, and there are always two offsets to take into account: the offset of your drive, AND the offset of the drive that created the CD. Most of the time we can't know the offset of the mastering drive, but sometimes we can.

I don't understand this personally. You just introduce silent samples by doing it this way, and you miss non-silent samples on other CDs such as La Pucelle by not adjusting the offset further. What's the point of this - for everyone to get the same incorrect results?

Not samples, sample offset. The part in EAC called "read sample offset correction". For every one unit you change that by, 75 sectors are affected, right? Or no?

The comment is epically confusing hmm

"Missing data in Lead-out Zone. Should be dump with +75 sector offset due to desync issue."

As an owner of this CD and somebody who actually knows how to use EAC, I know that there is data further than the typical "global offset" used by everyone to dump every CD on the planet. What's confusing is that the comment says it needs 75 sectors. Unless I've really started to forget stuff, 75 sectors is +1 to the sample offset in EAC, right? If so, that's incorrect, because this disc needs +2 to the usual sample offset. For example, with my Plextor PX-716A which has a +30 offset, I need to rip this CD with a +32 offset in EAC to catch every sample.

I totally missed this response, sorry. Just thought about using it again now and it's working! Thanks a bunch big_smile this is really nice.


I plan to buy that game someday... but that day could be quite a ways off given its price. I can say that I WILL buy it one day, but I can't promise, or even guess, as to when that will be. If someone is impatient, by all means... just don't beat me on any eBay auctions lol

Hmm, well, I don't know actually. It sounds like a demo because it's a beta, but maybe that's a strange name for a full version of the game that you could play publicly. I've also never played one. There are plenty of games marked inconsistently on the site, but it's possible they're not actually demos.

Oh wow, I forgot to add stuff to the database tongue I'll do that soon.

Also, don't those public betas belong in the demos section?

Sooooo... what's this? lol … /762789110

It appears FIFA 13 might also be the same case … 3/64167924

but I can't find a single copy of that one on eBay, listed or sold. These games are, to say the least, absurdly rare, but maybe the NTSC versions actually do exist. Here's something else.

Hmm, interesting info. Yes, it would be a lot of work (and money!) to hunt for more alternate versions. I'll be happy enough if we can at least have some version of every game.

Gundam arrived today, so I'll do the dump and scans, and then submit it as well as other NTSC-J stuff I've been too lazy to add, probably tomorrow. Then all that will be left is DDR X2, which... is a real pain.

I'm not going to edit the wiki, but some of those seem really pointless. There's a colossal amount of games that only have v1.01, v1.02, v1.03 etc so the guesses as to some games having a v1.00 seem really random. Ringcodes are also way more often pointless than they are an actual indication of anything. The vast majority of games with different ringcode numbers don't actually end up having different versions.

I've also looked at the data of all the games with versions higher than 1.xx that don't have a v1.xx and the only one that blatantly stood out to me as having a 1.xx is NHL Hitz 20-02 because that game's EXE date matches it's release date. It would have to have been pretty fresh out of the factory for that to be possible wink Outside of that, I saw no reason to suspect anything, but I'm not going to change the wiki if you like having those notations up there. They don't hurt anything. I was just trying to understand them.

One thing I am interested in though: the Midnight Club 3: DUB Edition v2.00. Guessing a v1.xx is one thing, but guessing at a v2.xx is another entirely. Are you thinking Greatest Hits or something? Or maybe you downloaded one from the internet once? That's how I knew there was a v1.xx for Bloody Roar 3 Japan.


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Nothing's wrong with Ar Tonelico, I was using it as an example of how we handle furigana. 創造詩 is Souzou Uta, or "creation song" basically, but that string of kanji is written as "Metafalica", and no, those kanji don't also have those pronunciations tongue It's because under the kanji, メタファリカ is written. That's furigana. It tells you how something is supposed to be pronounced. It pretty much completely overrides any expected pronunciation of the word.

120% has furigana as well, フルパワー. That means "Full Power" is the pronunciation of "120%". So, if we include both, that would be like writing Ar Tonelico's title as

Ar tonelico II: Sekai ni Hibiku Shoujo-tachi no Souzou Uta (Metafalica)

which wouldn't be wrong I guess, but we didn't do that. So we should decide how we want to do this, basically.

I wasn't able to win that DDR X2 auction (went for over $60 after shipping) and another copy has popped up for another $60, so if anyone's in a hurry to have the game dumped, go for it tongue I am planning to buy the game one day, but not for that price. I'm going to try getting lucky, as the game is fairly low priority for me at the moment.

btw, Jackal, I don't understand some of the notes on the wiki.

SCUS-97104  ATV Offroad Fury - v2.0*? (PDSS-000146A1   3)
SLUS-20729  ESPN College Hoops - v1.03?
SLUS-20923  KOF: Maximum Impact - v1.00?
SLUS-20214  State of Emergency - v1.00?
SLUS-20977  Virtua Quest - v1.00?

Is there a reason to believe any of these versions exist?

SLUS-20421  Battlestar Galactica - v1.00
SLUS-20298  High Heat Major League Baseball 2003 - v1.03
SLUS-20242  Legends of Wrestling - v1.00
SLUS-21029  Midnight Club 3: DUB Edition - v2.00
SLUS-20140  NHL Hitz 20-02 - 031719268344 - Version 1.01

These don't have question marks. Are these confirmed somehow?

SLUS-20946  Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas - PDSS-015486 = v2.0*?
This was apparently bought and dumped as 3.00?

SLUS-21412  World Championship Poker featuring Howard Lederer: All In (SLUS 21412F PDSS-024905 *BOUGHT*)
This has a dump by you and someone else, remove it from the wiki?

Interesting, thanks for some of the modifiers. It would be great if you could implement modifiers for Category and Edition big_smile

Is there any way to do this? I'd like a search that returns only Games in PS2, for example, so no Demos or other stuff. Or, maybe I'd like only Original editions, or only Greatest Hits, etc. Maybe I want to combine the two. Is there any way to do this? And if not, is it possible?

And on that subject, what are the search modifiers? For example,
searches only for discs in America. There is a link to click to add this modifier to the URL for you, but there must be other modifiers that don't have handy links. What are they?