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As much as I'd like to see Xbox dumping on the PC become reality, I voted YES. If the data can be dumped, it should be dumped, regardless of the inconvenience this brings. We don't accept scrubbed Wii/GC isos either, do we?

On the other hand, one could argue that all that counts is the game, not its medial embodiment. Then again, we spend so much time on things like correct gap detection, offset shifting, things that don't contribute to the gaming experience at all. We extract PC games as accurate as possible despite not even being able to play them (SecuROM etc.).

If there is a reliable way to extract the data inside these sectors it should be done.

Belated reply, I know, but hopefully still interesting...

According to my sources, the PS3's copy protection schemes have not really been cracked (yet!). It is possible to create disc images directly on the PS3 -- PC Bluray drives supposedly fail to recognize the discs. This works via Linux, albeit only on the old, fat PS3 as installing Linux on the slim PS3 is not possible anymore.

A simple dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/image.bin dumps the Bluray to HDD. The image can be burned to a BD-R but the PS3 does not read it, of course. Therefore, as far as I know this is currently only interesting in terms of preservation. I don't know if this method extracts the ROM mark (I strongly doubt it), which doesn't really matter as the ROM mark cannot be burned to a BD-R anyway.

Bluray movies can be dumped the same way on the PS3, by the way. They need to be decrypted via AnyDVD in order to be watched, though. This is also possible through a normal PC Bluray drive so you needn't really use the PS3 for this.

All in all, the PS3's copy protection mechanisms have worked remarkably well so far. It wasn't until this year that an exploit compromising the hypervisor was discovered -- it's still doubtful if this helps playing burned games in the long term. It can probably be patched away easily by Sony.

Hi devcon,

you can search for drives based on your criteria here: http://daefeatures.co.uk/search.php.

I recommend setting Accurate Stream to 'Yes' and Overread to 'Lead Out' or 'Both'. You'll get a huge list of drives from different manufacturers then which are principally suited for PSX (and most other systems) dumping. Even though this database maybe doesn't feature the newest drives you should definitely be able to find most of those on eBay for a very low price.

Yes I do, I'll have a look. By visible partition you mean the partition you see when you put a disc in a non-compatible drive, right? The partition with VIDEO_TS, AUDIO_TS and the system update?

I actually have written a "guide" (or rather some crude instructions ) and sent it to several people via PM. I'm reluctant to put it here publicly... You know how much trouble this can cause in our beautiful country -.-

One question that remains is how to distinguish WAVE3 from WAVE4. Supposedly there's also a WAVE5 (with Left4Dead 2 being the first game to use it). Do you by chance have any further information?

You probably haven't replaced the garbage sectors... Try to extract the game again and replace the byte range from 223182848 to 231571456 with 00s in a hex editor for WAVE2/3/4 and WAVE1 (108976-113071) dumps (see the Comments section of the dump to find out which WAVE the disc is). In case of WAVE1 (18128-22223) dumps, replace 37126144 to 45514752. You should get a match then.

If you have further questions or want to dump games that aren't in the DB already I can send you further instructions.

Oh cool, I didn't know that. Do you know what sets these drives apart so they can read these discs?

PM sent. Let me know if anyone else is interested

That's what I've been using. Got it very cheap and so far it's always worked for me. It can also dump DC discs (more or less ) so you won't regret buying it. The only thing it lacks is overreading, but if you're only gonna use it for 360 dumping this is irrelevant.

Hehe persistence...

I think redump uses language codes as per ISO 639-1. 'Nn' refers to Nynorsk, one of two concurrent written languages in Norway. I don't know whether games actually use Nynorsk or Bokmål, but in case it's really Nynorsk simply flagging them "No" would be less accurate.

Edit: Oh, I should've read the No-Intro convention first. Seems like they also follow ISO 639-1. Maybe a Norwegian member can clarify whether Nynorsk or Bokmål is being used in games, otherwise you're right and we'd probably have to switch to 'No'....

Looks like we've just hit the 10.000, congratulations Only ~2700 verified dumps, though, so it's still a long way to go.