501

(3 replies, posted in News)

As many of you will already know, for some time now our own superg has been developing a new dumping tool by the name of "redumper." This is designed to be a portable, byte-perfect CD dumper which supports a range of advanced functionality while being simple to pick up and use for new users.

Over the course of the past year, while testing redumper, we have identified a range of cases where it solves many long-standing problems with the way certain technical aspects of Audio CD as a format are represented and preserved, and we believe it represents a major step forward for the project.

On that basis, following lengthy discussion among staff, we have decided that as of 01 March 2023 00:00 UTC, redumper will become the only eligible dumping tool for submitting Audio CDs to the Redump project. We have provided a grace period for submission of DIC dumps as we are aware that many dumpers will already be partway through their workflow and in some cases may no longer have access to the physical item, but note that after the above date no DIC dumps of Audio CDs will be accepted.

We appreciate that this represents a major change, and it is not a decision that has been made lightly. We are doing this because we genuinely believe that redumper represents the way forward when it comes to proper preservation of Audio CDs.

**Please note that for the moment this change relates only to Audio CDs - all other formats including Enhanced CDs may continue to use existing dumping methods**

FAQ
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Where do I download redumper?
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The latest stable build of redumper can always be found at https://github.com/superg/redumper/releases/latest

How do I use redumper?
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For the moment, redumper is command-line only but very simple to use. The most basic command to start off with is:

redumper cd --verbose --retries=20 --image-path=<output_directory> --image-name=<image_filename_prefix>

Some additional values you may want to provide:
--drive=X - point redumper to a specific drive, otherwise it will automatically find and use the first drive with a disc present
--speed=X - specify a dumping speed, otherwise redumper will default to the fastest speed the drive is capable of


A full guide to advanced use of redumper can be found at https://github.com/superg/redumper/blob/main/README.md and at http://wiki.redump.org/index.php?title=Redumper

Any questions you have about redumper can also be asked in the VGPC Discord (https://discord.gg/AHTfxQV), which has a dedicated redumper channel.


What do I need to submit a redumper dump?
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As with DIC, you will need to provide the relevant log files so that moderators can check your dump is good. In the case of redumper this consists only of the .log file for most dumps, although occasionally moderators may ask for you to provide other files to check complex cases. As the .log file is relatively small, the contents can either be pasted directly into the "Comments" section of the New Disc form or provided in a separate code block as part of a forum submission. If you do upload the log file to an external filehoster, there is no need to compress it.

Why are we making this change?
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The present method of dumping Audio CDs using DIC in some cases leads to imperfect results, including:
* Failure to capture data in the lead-in and lead-out
* Occasional imperfect track splits
* Audio CDs with different write offsets being treated as (Alt) releases
redumper correctly solves these issues in a way which allows extra data to be captured in all situations. For some discs, one true disc write offset can be detected. For the discs where there is data in lead-in/lead-out, such data will be moved out only if it fits into the usual range (e.g. the data spillover is a result if disc write offset). Lastly, if nothing else could be done, the disc will be dumped with offset 0 and lead-in and/or lead-out data will be stored as separate tracks.

redumper can also generate a Universal Hash which can be used to correctly match Audio CDs with different write offsets.

A full technical explanation and discussion can be found at http://forum.redump.org/topic/45004/audio-offset/

Does this mean all my old dumps are considered bad?
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No, many redumper dumps accurately match those made using DIC and, while redumper does provide some additional information such as unique hash, we are not considering all Audio CD dumps previously done with DIC to be bad.

However, given that there is a small but significant minority of discs which are affected, we would welcome those who have already contributed Audio CD dumps redumping their discs with redumper - the additional information generated can be posted as fixes on the Redump forum.

What about verifications made prior to this change?
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Any Audio CD verifications made using DIC prior to the date of this announcement will be processed as usual, and we expect that the vast majority of them will be accepted. There may be a few rare cases where a more accurate redumper dump has been made since the verification was submitted (meaning that the DIC hashes are now known to be incorrect). In these cases we will ask dumpers to submit new logs using redumper.

Does this affect Enhanced CDs?
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No, Enhanced CDs offset is detected using a data track and these are not affected by the new dumping method

Should I use redumper for all CDs with audio tracks?
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No, for the moment the main use case for redumper for Redump purposes is to correctly dump Audio CDs. In time we expect to expand support to other systems, and if you would like to do a redumper dump in addition to a DIC one, that will be helpful in catching any edge cases where one tool may be doing something incorrect and help both developers to improve their tools.

The moderation team may from time to time ask dumpers to retry a dump with redumper if we have reason to suspect that there are issues with a DIC dump.

Do I still have to use plextor / compatible drives as listed in the wiki?
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YES, for now!  While we hope to expand compatible hardware for use in all disc types eventually, for now, this announcement and the acceptance of redumper dumps, does not change in any way the rules for required hardware for dumping CD-ROMs.

502

(1 replies, posted in Guests & account requests)

A randomly generated password has been sent to your email.

Please let me know if you have any issues, and thanks!

I like the idea conceptually, but the different ideas about dates expressed above, does portray some of the challenges with choosing dates for "builds."  It can be a very subjective thing, so if we are going to do it, we'd need to decide exactly how to do so.  I don't know what is commonly done for build date with these other projects that deal with betas and prototypes.

I do like the idea conceptually of adding valuable data that is helpful in identifying different discs.  For example, I strongly prefer the way we handle datnames for PS2, versus PS1.  PS1 is standardized "Demo 1" "Demo 2" "Demo 3" and the numbers can change back and forth depending on dates and such.  So what is Demo 1 now may change to Demo 2 later, etc.

This is all a compromise of keeping things under control, while adding enough detail to distinguish releases.  The challenge is, different people use dats differently and have different preferences about what information they want to see in filenames.

504

(1 replies, posted in Guests & account requests)

Please check your e-mail - you should have received a message about setting up your wiki account.  Just let me know if you have any issues!

Hello.  Are you interested in contributing metadata for discs to the database?

506

(3 replies, posted in Guests & account requests)

A randomly generated password has been sent to your e-mail address. 

You can change the password after logging in.  Please send me a PM if you have any issues.

Thanks!

Hello! You should receive an e-mail that allows you to login to the wiki and/or change your password.  Please let me know if you have any problems!

To new users: Thank you for your interest in joining!  Please wait to actually submit discs until your account is added.  It is easy for them to get lost in the guest area.  Thanks!

509

(5 replies, posted in Guests & account requests)

Hello there and thanks for your patience.  Please bear with us as we get an admin to add your account.

In the meantime, if you'd like some help with getting started or to ask questions, you can join the VGPC Discord:
Discord

Thanks!

Just to clarify so there's no confusion - by remaining PS2 games we mean initial focus on the completely 'undumped titles' list at the top.  There are TONS of undumped revisions and editions - and while it'd be great to get all those some day, the main focus for now is on games that haven't been dumped at all, so we're focusing there.

Also - great to hear you have some from that list Parotaku! If anyone else already has any of the games in the 'undumped titles' section, please PLEASE let us know just so we avoid any double purchasing, etc etc.

Thanks to everyone who has helped.  We will continue to make excellent progress on PS2 Japan and I'm very committed to seeing this through until every last undumped title is addressed!

@samsam12 - would you be comfortable with this thread in the general area? Or did you want it in the dumpers section?

512

(0 replies, posted in News)

Hello everyone! 

We appreciate all of your efforts, including fixes and additions that you have contributed to our database.  However, we've been receiving a large number of fix requests via PMs, Discord chats, and other methods, outside of the forums.  Unfortunately, documentation for these fixes is now sorely lacking and staff workload increases trying to keep track of everything. 

Staff has discussed this issue and we've decided that from now on, all fixes and additions to existing entries need to be posted on the forums in the "Fixes and additions" section for documentation purposes.  In addition, any posted fixes may not be addressed for a few days, in case other people want to express any concerns or disagreements with the proposed changes.  This will ensure transparency and documentation for all corrections to the database.

If you have any questions about this process, feel free to ask any member of staff.  Thank you!

As we explained before, redump does not host or share disc dumps.  We assist users in archiving their own discs and submitting metadata information to the database.

514

(6 replies, posted in General discussion)

diego - in an ideal world, where we have a cooperative admin and everything else is up-to-date, perhaps we could look into more nuanced items.  But atm, we have more important items to deal with.  For example, we don't even have a Mexico region, and other regions.

I respect the differences between language dialects and types, but atm, the best compromise I can think of, is that it can be put into the comments for now.

At least if it goes into the comments, the data is recorded and perhaps at some point this could be investigated further.  But in the meantime, we don't have the power to add it anyway.

515

(2 replies, posted in Guests & account requests)

Hello,

Sorry for the delay!  Please bear with us while we get an admin to review this.  In the meantime, if you'd like to go ahead and get started and/or ask any questions about the process, please feel free to join the VGPC Discord here:

Discord

Thanks!

Hello,

Sorry for the delay!  Please bear with us while we get an admin to review this.  In the meantime, if you'd like to go ahead and get started and/or ask any questions about the process, please feel free to join the VGPC Discord here:

Discord

Thanks!

517

(2 replies, posted in Guests & account requests)

Hello,

Sorry for the delay!  Please bear with us while we get an admin to review this.  In the meantime, if you'd like to go ahead and get started and/or ask any questions about the process, please feel free to join the VGPC Discord here:

Discord

I know we have a few people here (including myself) who are very interested in seeing those Korean submissions, so thanks!

518

(2 replies, posted in Guests & account requests)

Hello,

Sorry for the delay!  Please bear with us while we get an admin to review this.  In the meantime, if you'd like to go ahead and get started and/or ask any questions about the process, please feel free to join the VGPC Discord here:

Discord

Thanks!

519

(17 replies, posted in General discussion)

Just checking to see if there are any thoughts, concerns, updates about the audio cd issue? I know this took a bit of a back-burner due to the site concerns, of course.

Do we have any sort of consensus on how to proceed here?

520

(17 replies, posted in General discussion)

I can share that at least conceptually, I definitely agree with superg's general direction and what he is trying to accomplish here with a solution for the audio cds.

As for some of the specific concerns raised, some of it is a bit outside the scope of my technical knowledge, so it's hard for me to provide valuable input.

I'm very curious to hear what fireball has to say about the recent discussion.  I do think that discussing and addressing this before too long, is pretty important.  As someone else said as well, I know some people are holding back on preserving / submitting audio discs, because they know there are pending issues that need fixing.

Thanks to all of you for your amazing work on this, and especially superg, for digging deep into these issues and bringing this to the forefront.

I'll close this thread for now.  If you decide you want to dump any discs and/or provide info to the database, you can make a new thread requesting an account.  Thanks!

522

(1 replies, posted in Guests & account requests)

Redump does not store nor provide disc images.  We merely store metadata information about discs, such as hashes, and provide dats.  If you have your own discs that you would like to preserve and submit info to the database, you can create a new thread requesting an account.

Thanks!

523

(0 replies, posted in News)

Hello everyone!  If you are interested in joining our efforts and creating a redump account, we'd love your help! 

An important update:  Unfortunately, at this time we are having issues with Microsoft and Google accounts (hotmail, gmail, etc), so if you can please use a different e-mail provider with your account registration, that will avoid some issues we are having right now with getting new accounts setup.

We apologize for any inconvenience, and appreciate your patience with us!

Please review the post here about setting up an account: http://forum.redump.org/topic/12228/wan … ead-first/

Thank you for your interest in redump!

524

(4 replies, posted in Guests & account requests)

Hello and thank you for your patience.  I've received the alternate e-mail you sent me and forwarded that to an admin to get this resolved.  Thanks!

Ok, if you change your mind and want an account to submit verifications or anything else, please feel free to make a new thread and request your account.  Thanks.