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UTC is the standard and should be followed, local times mean nothing. The moderators should have disc images and can spend the time fixing the things that were added incorrectly, it will take ages, but it should be done. It could possibly even be automated, but... I'm not going into that.


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Define different hashes, different from previous dumps or different from multiple dumps you made.


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Do we know what the pattern really is? For that and for safedisc?


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Failed to get read offset with ASUS drive. Logs attached for ASUS and plextor.


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Sweet, now we just need the rest.

There's no such thing as "abandonware", this term has no legal standing. Copyright expires 70 years after the expiration of the author, if a company holds the copyright, it's likely to never expire as IP changes hands when companies fold.

There's nothing wrong with us, what is wrong with you?


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It is, the first sector usually has something other than 00 in it.

Discussion of piracy is not allowed.

F1reb4ll please close this topic.


(2,154 replies, posted in General discussion)

Some luck on some more sectors for ASUS BW-16D1HT ?

I tested this drive a bit now, it's not really good at C2 errors, I think it caches and doesn't ever re-read. Could you look into that sarami?


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They should be yellow imo, they are bad dumps. I have redumped my SmartE discs and reminded others to do the same. If we need to re-collect some discs due to people selling them, then they should be added to whichever spreadsheet and marked high priority.


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sarami wrote:
RibShark wrote:

I reverse engineered the firmware myself.

If possible, please tell me how to reverse engineer the firmware. I'm interested.



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Also tested ASUS-BW-16D1HT with 3.02 firmware, looking forward to bigger positive offset support. Too bad the drive doesn't have better C2 correction, maybe a buffer flush is needed for re-reads.


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I just haven't done any testing yet to see if SafeDisc is reliably dumpable and verifyable, I suspect the single byte (312) is like CDS and an intentional weak sector that the hardware can't read correctly.  I can test this with some of my Need For Speed games as I have several copies of the same disc and I now have 10 plextors to do testing with.

I mean that would be a huge pain to redump all safedisc, I'm not opposed to this but I think some people would be. I am more interested in dumping correctly though. It causes a lot of heated argument but we're getting on the same page mostly now. This is not an issue for me because I keep all discs, but this presents a problem where large parts of the db would be instantly invalidated, however I don't have issue with that. I do understand that others will. However I am in favor of as accurate as possible dumping, regardless of having to go do stuff again if it's found wrong. I have been redumping already my entire collection with DIC without a single complaint, and glad to do it. SafeDisc protection does not check for the bad sectors at all, they are just there to prevent copying easily,which is a bit silly since it's been easily defeated since early 2000's, so I don't think it really matters much when it comes to using the images, but is that preservation?

I guess we will have to work with what he have, and we can change things in the future when we have methods and hardware to do better. Eventually we *will* have means to dump entire discs linearly and we'll need a special image format for it. Until then we keep going as we are now.

Anyways back on topic, there should be no "correction" or "fixing" things imo, and that includes subchannel data. Too many discs have intentional errors, and too many drives/windows do not fix these errors when reading the disc, particularly edc/ecc errors.


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I doubt anyone will bother with audio swap disc method, they want a simple and easy solution.


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What do you mean there is no benefit? A proper cue and logs are a benefit. I fail to understand your resistance.

The specific model RibShark is talking about is ASUS BW-16D1HT, which is the same as LG WH16NS60. This entire range (same as libredrive support dirves) probably also support this. The fact that these newer freely available drives support this is paramount, since they are easily obtainable compared to often overpriced, aging and difficult to find plextors. We need replacements for plextor and this is ideal and opens dumping to a larger audience.


Guess it's a firmware issue, has to be 3.02 firmware.


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I did some testing dumping with the ASUS drive, DIC seems to have some slight bugs with it. It dumped a few discs with combined negative offset seemingly fine. I tested it also with the problem disc and it has the same C2 errors. Here's the log for that one too.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=14HV6x … vBdyH1a1pU


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These are not mastering errors that I want to skip, they are perfectly valid sectors. I'm tired of wasting $5/ea on getting a disc resurfaced when there is nothing wrong with the disc. If I let it sit and retry 50000 times it sometimes can read them, it's just a problem with firmware or whatever, and I prefer not to beat the hell out of my drive for something like that.

Now that you've ordered that Ski-Doo racing disc, maybe you can make reading the ring sectors not hang forever too.


logs https://drive.google.com/open?id=1XUGzR … PpuCIECD9M


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Yes, exactly, it should just keep going and forget the sector is corrupted. Often times they read without error with BE so I can just replace the sector(s).


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Ski-doo uses SafeDisc in EU.

What about the abort on error? Seems you ignore this request all the time. Sometimes a disc just doesn't want to read in audio mode, but works fine in data mode. In which case I can just fix the bad sectors later but still get a good cue file and other things.


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The outer areas of the disc need slower speed to not get read errors when they are "over burned" size. I have to stop a dump and redump with slower speed to avoid C2 errors on some discs. SafeDisc in particular is annoying with this, but also other overburned discs. It is normal drive behavior to slow the disc a bit when read errors occur, other tools do it too. Plextors support both CLV and CAV, the slower speeds are CLV.

Ski-Doo X-Team Racing is USA region, UPC is 0 79714 50970 2

The Europe region has a different protection.

I would still ask if you make it so exceeding the read error count for a sector doesn't abort the whole dump either normally or with a switch.


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Well I don't know what it is then, there are only so many ring protections and it's similar to the Settlers one.

It would be nice if I can skip all these files tho, that shouldn't be hard to implement.

Is there any chance of slowing down the drive on read errors automatically?


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Well I looked at the sectors in cdmage, on one disc the sync is shifted by 16 bytes to the right (safedisc) and on another disc the sync is shifted into the previous sector's ecc/edc area (normal disc). So yeah I think this is a bug with the DVD drives.


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Thanks, its is reading the sectors now but takes ages, I will let it run over night.

Another issue, I don't know if it's the DVD drives or a bug in DIC. There is no C2 errors but some sectors are corrupted after unscrambling. Here is the log of the latest one I had this happen. This only happens with my 716 and 760, it does not happen with any of the CD drives.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1DwwR2 … umsj3u3FjM


Spoke too soon, still hangs about 10 sectors in, infinite hang. Must be the read mode or something.


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OK testing.


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I've dumped it with your method, but readable sectors are missing and Reentrant's tool doesn't work for this. I'll do some capturing with bushound on alcohol so you can see what they do, claunia looked and they changed the mode so it doesn't hang.

In the mean time can you make it so ReadErrorProtect.txt can handle multiple files, Ski-Doo Team Racing is indeed using RingPROTECH but it has multiple files, here's a list.