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2013-05-18 05:28:20

They aren't actually a bad sector with SecuROM , just an alternate mode sector. It's perfectly legal to do in the mastering process, it's just drives have pretty limited firmware most of the time and they expect every sector to be the same mode.

They are mode 2 sector without ecc/edc. Sectors can even have wrong header info, I have at least one disc with such.

SafeDisc are entirely different matter, we don't exactly know if what is read by drives (either plextor with d8, or other drive with audio trapdisc) is what is really on the sector or not. More testing needs to be done here with audio mode dumps to see if they match across drives or not.

Just because a drive can skip read errors, doesn't mean they are reading them properly. Also most tool just return made up data for them, usually filled with 00. For instance, CloneCD, Alcohol, ddump or other such dumping tool.

2013-04-15 20:17:20

DIC should never match clonecd or ddump if dumped with Plextor (only!) drive. Don't bother with non plextor.

ddump is also buggy with safedisc 2.5 and up.

Also, thanks for C2 log!

2013-03-21 03:38:52

ir0b0t: yes, 2 different HW revision 5224a and 760a

2013-03-20 19:39:14

Use plextor, dump with clonecd and also dump with disk image creator.

That stuff is bs with being able to read the bad sectors, the images will work if the sectors are just bad, not really what is on the disc.

As for burning, seems it's firmware bugs not being able to burn all patterns in proper order, the buffers get written to the disc in the wrong order but the data is there.

2013-03-19 23:44:04

why would the raw read data vary from drive to drive ... that doesn't really make any sense. scrambling is not the complicated process it seems, it's just EOR of a pattern and I found that pattern in the firmware too. I think that was only an issue on very early hardware. I would like to have a dump of the disc done with an audio trap CD tho.

I also highly doubt they even know who the designers were, sounds like ripper BS to me.

Also, redump is about preservation right? It's not about "because it works"... or am I wrong? If it is... maybe I am in the wrong place.

2013-03-19 18:52:26

Done some safedisc disc testing now. It is able to dump safedisc's bad sectors reliably. So far all dumps match on 2 different plextor drives. So far one disc , Daikatana, has been verified from 2 different discs (mine and DJoneK's). However, I think that such discs can ONLY be dumped on plextor drives.

This is both good and bad, the good is safedisc and probably laserlok can be dumped properly now. The bad news is all of those discs in the db need to be dumped again, or invalidated.

2013-03-11 11:04:20

All tools just assume when burning, that track 1 has a pre gap of 2:00. Dunno why this is, or if you can even burn the real pre gap even if you dumped it in dao mode.

The cue/ccd is there to recreate the TOC on the original disc, if subs are burned too they can of course conflict with TOC like on many discs. Quite interesting how firmwares get around these inconsistencies. Protections could however check for these non-standard conditions... but rainbow books specs are rarely followed to the letter.

2013-03-08 06:58:43

That's a bug in CloneCD

2013-02-22 01:56:59

I think it's more of a bug with the drive. Some drives have a problem reading "transition" sectors when one sector type meets another. In this case data and audio. This problem seems to happen when reading a disc forwards, if you start beyond the transition sector and then seek backwards to it, it should read ok.

2013-02-18 06:27:54

Seems to be working now. =]

:EDIT:

I managed to dump some lead-in and pre-gap just fine. I do get errors, but the sectors are dumped anyways with subcode.

I did -5000 0 , but it only dumped 3927 sectors. I am not sure why.

I dumped some discs I have which have audio and mastering errors. It dumped the tracks just fine and they match my manual dumps. I will do further testing.

I dumped a disc with R-W filled with FF, and it was suffering the very slow reading speed. There needs to be some kind of switch to select which mode to read the subs as suggested to get around this.

Is the tool supporting C2 error reporting? Would be nice if it did.

I have not yet tried to dump some discs with intentional errors (safedisc, laserlok, smarte, sector header) I will do some testing on this too and let you know how it goes.

So far I am quite impressed with the tool! I hope you continue to develop it. It would be nice to add some more features like that of EAC and subdump for error detection and handling/repair.

2013-02-14 17:05:57

I use this one

subdump.exe -i d: -f test.sub -mode 2 -rereadnum 25 -speed 8 -fix 2

2013-02-10 05:24:14

I've always put mine in the IBM-PC category as some are marked with a disc number. A lot of them are multimedia too and contain screen savers and other promotional materials like pictures, and art work in PDF files etc.

It's as dumb as separating the music disc from a release and putting it in AUDIO-CD category, For instance Aliens Vs Predator or Messiah. The disc is part of the game in those instances, separating them into the AUDIO-CD category would orphan them and also make the games unplayable as they require the discs.

I firmly disagree that a disc should be separated from it's associated package/release based on it's contents, that just creates a huge mess and no one will know where it came from or what it belongs with. In which case those other discs are mis-categorized and should be fixed.

There are always exceptions to the rules and standards, I think this is one of them.

2013-02-09 21:46:04

I disagree, it is not a stand alone disc sold separately. It is a bonus disc of the PC collectors edition.

2013-02-09 06:11:18

I think you should just skip the safedisc (or any other with errors) ones for now, I don't believe that drive can dump them properly.

All the DVD games should be fine, and ones with securom or no protection should be fine too.

2013-02-08 20:59:33

Nope, none of the 32 or 64 bit versions work.

2013-02-06 21:22:55

I use direct PATA connection to my motherboard. This chipset is JMicron. px_d8, cdtoimg, plextools and subdump all work fine with my plextor drives.

2013-02-03 21:57:21

I think I've dumped a hell of a lot more safedisc than whoever wrote that wiki article. Seriously they can fall anywhere on the disc.

I have seen also from 4xx to 30000 range personally. There is no limitation in safedisc code as to the range they can be, so they can be mastered anywhere.

Just be careful in higher areas as sometimes one tool cannot read the weak sectors, where as another tool can.

2013-02-03 14:13:06

try a scrambled bin/cue, I seem to recall them working fine.

2013-02-03 02:18:42

Old daemon tools does support scrambled data tracks and so does alcohol. Maybe not from clonecd image, but I have mounted scrambled images and were able to read them fine.

2013-02-02 21:38:39

It doesn't even work in a vmware XP install with direct HW access under Windows 7...

definitely some bug.

2013-02-02 05:51:51

Tried the pregap reading with 760A , doesn't work. Here is log and error text.

command used

DiscImageCreator.exe -ra d: 4 pregap -150 0

I used unicode version.

IOCTL_SCSI_GET_ADDRESS
        Length: 8
    PortNumber: 0
        PathId: 0
      TargetId: 1
           Lun: 0
STORAGE ADAPTER DESCRIPTOR DATA
                  Version: 00000020
                TotalSize: 00000020
    MaximumTransferLength: 00020000 (bytes)
     MaximumPhysicalPages: 00000021
            AlignmentMask: 00000001
           AdapterUsesPio: False
         AdapterScansDown: False
          CommandQueueing: True
      AcceleratedTransfer: False
          BusMajorVersion: 0001
          BusMinorVersion: 0000
Device Info
              DeviceType: CD/DVD device
     DeviceTypeQualifier: Active
      DeviceTypeModifier: 0
          RemovableMedia: Yes
                Versions: 0
      ResponseDataFormat: 2
               HiSupport: Yes
                 NormACA: Yes
           TerminateTask: No
                    AERC: No
        AdditionalLength: 5b
           MediumChanger: No
               MultiPort: No
       EnclosureServices: No
               SoftReset: No
            CommandQueue: No
          LinkedCommands: No
      RelativeAddressing: No
                VendorId: PLEXTOR 
               ProductId: DVDR   PX-760A  
    ProductRevisionLevel: 1.07
          VendorSpecific: 08/18/07  15:10     
Drive speed
        RequestType: CdromSetStreaming
          ReadSpeed: 48KB/sec
         WriteSpeed: 65KB/sec
    RotationControl: CdromCAVRotation
Configuration
    CurrentMedia: CD-ROM
    FeatureProfileList
        DVD+R DL, DVD+R, DVD+RW, DVD-R LayerJump, DVD-R DL, DVD-RW Sequential, DVD-RW, DVD-R, DVD-ROM, CD-RW, CD-R, CD-ROM, 
    FeatureCore
        PhysicalInterface: ATAPI
          DeviceBusyEvent: No
                 INQUIRY2: No
    FeatureMorphing
        Asynchronous: No
             OCEvent: No
    FeatureRemovableMedium
                Lockable: Yes
        DefaultToPrevent: No
                   Eject: Yes
        LoadingMechanism: Tray type loading mechanism
    FeatureRandomReadable
                LogicalBlockSize: 2048
                        Blocking: 1
        ErrorRecoveryPagePresent: Yes
    FeatureMultiRead
    FeatureCdRead
                  CDText: Yes
             C2ErrorData: Yes
        DigitalAudioPlay: No
    FeaturePowerManagement
    FeatureCDAudioAnalogPlay
             SeperateVolume: Yes
        SeperateChannelMute: Yes
              ScanSupported: Yes
        NumerOfVolumeLevels: 256
    FeatureMicrocodeUpgrade
        M5: Yes
    FeatureTimeout
            Group3: Yes
        UnitLength: 3332
    FeatureRealTimeStreaming
                StreamRecording: Yes
            WriteSpeedInGetPerf: Yes
               WriteSpeedInMP2A: Yes
                     SetCDSpeed: Yes
        ReadBufferCapacityBlock: Yes
    FeatureLogicalUnitSerialNumber
        SerialNumber: 267125  
    Vendor Specific. FeatureCode[0xFF00]
        VendorSpecificData: 01010103
    Vendor Specific. FeatureCode[0xFF02]
        VendorSpecificData: 
    Vendor Specific. FeatureCode[0xFF10]
        VendorSpecificData: 000a0006108a06e402c20009000a2113160d0b06058302c2
    Vendor Specific. FeatureCode[0xFF11]
        VendorSpecificData: 002b000a361a2b48207615a40cfc001b000e6162569040ec2b48207615a40cfc001a00082b48207615a40cfc001500062b48207615a400140008207615a40ad205690011000e6162569040ec2b48207615a40ad2
TOC on SCSIOP_READ_TOC
     Data Track  1, LBA      0- 61480, Length  61481
    Audio Track  2, LBA  61481- 72126, Length  10646
    Audio Track  3, LBA  72127- 81755, Length   9629
    Audio Track  4, LBA  81756- 92385, Length  10630
    Audio Track  5, LBA  92386-102822, Length  10437
    Audio Track  6, LBA 102823-111836, Length   9014
    Audio Track  7, LBA 111837-122368, Length  10532
    Audio Track  8, LBA 122369-131828, Length   9460
    Audio Track  9, LBA 131829-142334, Length  10506
    Audio Track 10, LBA 142335-151738, Length   9404
    Audio Track 11, LBA 151739-161114, Length   9376
    Audio Track 12, LBA 161115-170157, Length   9043
    Audio Track 13, LBA 170158-179644, Length   9487
    Audio Track 14, LBA 179645-190218, Length  10574
    Audio Track 15, LBA 190219-200794, Length  10576
    Audio Track 16, LBA 200795-210076, Length   9282
    Audio Track 17, LBA 210077-219691, Length   9615
    Audio Track 18, LBA 219692-228776, Length   9085
    Audio Track 19, LBA 228777-233377, Length   4601
    Audio Track 20, LBA 233378-236469, Length   3092
                                       Total  236470
CDTEXT on SCSIOP_READ_TOC
    Nothing
CDROM_TOC_FULL_TOC_DATA Length: 253

SCSI bus status codes:02-CHECK_CONDITION [F:ReadTOCFull][L:1694]
Sense data, Key:Asc:Ascq:04:1b:00(HARDWARE_ERROR. SYNCHRONOUS DATA TRANSFER ERROR)
Can't get CDROM_TOC_FULL_TOC_DATA 2

EDIT:

tried also on my PX-W5224A , same error.

EDIT 2:

Tried to dump discs too, doesn't work at all, same error as above with the TOC.

Windows 7 64 bit enterprise, unicode version of tool.

2013-02-02 03:00:10

Well that's pretty awesome. How about lead out?

2013-02-01 19:08:52

That's interesting. Can it dump the subcode too of those sectors? That would be really cool if it can.

2013-02-01 18:57:21

Ok need to know some things...

what kind of drive are you using?

which protected cd profile for clonecd, the one which we have linked elsewhere on the site, or the one native to the program?

for safedisc, laserlok, cd ring protect, securom and smarte, we need an error count from cdmage too.

for rings, large spaces between sections in the ring need to use tab, please don't split them into separate lines. please copy them exactly as they are on the disc, no extra spaces. the ring is on the "silver" part of the disc (outer), this is the ring. The hub is the clear center (inner), this is the mould.

Lets get this sorted =]

2013-01-29 09:27:26

Thank you Enker.

Sense data, Key:Asc:Ascq:05:64:00(ILLEGAL_REQUEST. ILLEGAL MODE FOR THIS TRACK)

I get this too for PX-W1210TA and PX-W1610TA, but only for SOME discs, not all.

I think it is a firmware issue.

Does anyone have PX-W4012 and PX-W4220 to test?

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