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superg wrote:

This topic is to clarify and decide on how we manage disc write offset for audio discs.

The current status quo is that we always dump audio discs with offset 0 as there is no reliable reference point in the audio stream (in contrary to a data track) which can be used to determine the offset. This approach has a number of disadvantages, such as:
* shifted audio data in pre-gap / lead-out which we don't currently preserve

Wrong, dumpers must tweak the offset value to include all the data if possible, also DIC should do this automatically, IIRC. Sometimes both pregap and leadout have data, needs manual analysis in this case (usually it's about tweaking the offset to include the leadout data + extracting the pregap, like it's done in http://redump.org/disc/6695/, but I guess it depends on which of the pregap and the leadout portions of data is smaller - the smaller one needs the offset tweaking, the larger one needs the extraction).

superg wrote:

* ocassional imperfect track split which cuts in the middle of audio tracks e.g. you hear a bit of the next track in the end of a current one or previous track in the beginning of the current one

There are thousands of games with the same problem, so it's mostly about their bad mastering rather than direct offset issues.

superg wrote:

Perfect Audio Offset implementation details
For a given audio disc, I build a silence map based on TOC/subchannel information, essentially it's INDEX 00 CUE entries which are almost always empty (silent). As a next step, I build a similar silence map based on an audio stream. Finally, For each offset within [-150 .. lead-out] constrained range, I try to line up these two maps in a way that TOC/subchannel based one fits into an audio stream. If it fits, it's a perfect audio offset.

Crazy. I think that matching EAC and AccurateRip databases for the 'offset 0' audio tracks is a better benefit compared to some custom aligning. Also, what happens if all the tracks have big portions of silence at their beginnings and endings? Does it shift the offset to force the first track to start from its first nonzero byte?

superg wrote:

Side Effects
Given method works really well for PSX GameShark Update discs and Jaguar discs without relying on magic numbers and we get a perfect splits there too.

It will NOT work for Jaguar discs at all, because its 'data' (the INDEX 01 of the second track of the second session) must start with its magic (according to the official Jaguar CD format description documents), but if you align according to the magic, the first track of the first session for a good half of Jaguar CD releases gets shifted to the first pregap - and in your case, if you align according to the non-zero data and silences, its magic will be way off its proper position.

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