951

(3,521 replies, posted in General discussion)

sarami wrote:

I think subdump's logic is better/best, but it takes subdump very long time to dump the sub, so I can't use it. (In the first place, I don't know the subdump's logic because this is not open-source.)

How should the subs error correction work, IMO:

1. You define 9 variables: SubRereadNum, CurrentSubReadNum, CurrentSectorNum, FixLevel, QCurrentSector, QNextSector, QGenSector, QEAN, QISRC.
2. From commandline args you read FixLevel (should be between 0 and 96) and SubRereadNum (0 or larger)
3. You read a sector with the LBA = CurrentSectorNum (0 by default) and put its Q-channel into QCurrentSector.
3.1. If QNextSector is null: you read a sector with LBA = CurrentSectorNum + 1, check its Mode (should be 0x01) and Q-CRC and put its Q-channel into QNextSector.
     If Q-CRC is bad or Mode != 1, you read a sector with LBA = CurrentSectorNum + 2, check its Mode and Q-CRC, if both are fine, you substract 1 frame from MSF and AMSF (MSF - 1 and AMSF - 1), fix Q-CRC and write that into Q-NextSector.
     If Q-CRC is bad again or Mode != 1, you read a sector with LBA = CurrentSectorNum + 3, etc.
4. If Q-CRC of QCurrentSector matches, go to p.5.
4.1. If Q-CRC of QCurrentSector doesn't match: QGenSector = QNextSector - 1 frame (MSF - 1, AMSF - 1, fix Q-CRC).
4.2. You do a binary compare (96 bits vs 96 bits) between QCurrentSector and QGenSector and count a number of bits that differ. If their count is <= FixLevel: QCurrentSector = QGenSector and go to p.5.
4.3. If QEAN != null, you do a binary compare between QCurrentSector and QEAN and count a number of bits that differ. If their count is <= FixLevel: QCurrentSector = QEAN and go to p.5.
4.4. If QISRC != null, you do a binary compare between QCurrentSector and QISRC and count a number bits that differ. If their count is <= FixLevel: QCurrentSector = QISRC and go to p.5.
4.5. If still not matched and CurrentSubReadNum < SubRereadNum: clear the drive's cache and go to p.3
5. Write QCurrentSector to the .sub
5.1. If Q-CRC is bad: QNextSector = QNextSector + 1 frame (add + 1 to MSF, add + 1 to AMSF, fix Q-CRC)
5.2. If Q-CRC is good and QCurrentSector mode = 0x01: QNextSector = QCurrentSector + 1 frame
5.3. If Q-CRC is good and QCurrentSector mode = 0x02 (EAN): QEAN = QCurrentSector and QNextSector = QNextSector + 1 frame
5.4. If Q-CRC is good and QCurrentSector mode = 0x03 (ISRC): QISRC = QCurrentSector and QNextSector = QNextSector + 1 frame
5.5. CurrentSectorNum = CurrentSectorNum + 1, CurrentSubReadNum = 0

This way you let users to decide, how many bits are fine to be fixed and how many times it's ok to reread. Don't forget to clear the drive's cache before each rereading, otherwise, you may get the same results every time.

952

(3,521 replies, posted in General discussion)

Pregap/Lead-In sectors are read randomly, you can read the -5000...-1100 area a couple of times and get different sectors each time. I think, DIC needs a special mode to read that area a couple of times and reconstruct the whole lead-in sector-by-sector.

READ_TOC(0x43) doesn't output the data area, though, only subs sad

Dumping lead-out is interesting. Why "6750 sectors"? Lead-out sectors go upto the very end of the disc. If the main data area is small (a few megabytes), the lead-out would be 300 000+ sectors.

"Tales of Destiny 2 (Japan) (4, 5)" for http://redump.org/disc/15921/ would look weird, IMO. On the other hand, I can't completely agree with the versions in filenames in such cases: http://redump.org/disc/31934/ http://redump.org/disc/25815/ - v1.20 and v2.00 mean absolutely nothing. These should be either "7 (Seven) - Molmorth no Kiheitai (Japan) (v1.0)"/"7 (Seven) - Molmorth no Kiheitai (Japan) (v1.1)" or "7 (Seven) - Molmorth no Kiheitai (Japan) (1)"/"7 (Seven) - Molmorth no Kiheitai (Japan) (3)". Dunno. Maybe worth to use the Saturn/DC naming here and call these "7 (Seven) - Molmorth no Kiheitai (Japan) (1M)"/"7 (Seven) - Molmorth no Kiheitai (Japan) (3M)" where M means Matrix, though, Saturn and DC have these Ms on their rings. Maybe something like "7 (Seven) - Molmorth no Kiheitai (Japan) (Matrix 1)"/"7 (Seven) - Molmorth no Kiheitai (Japan) (Matrix 3)". We need to show the undumped ringcodes, not some useless internal versions. Same for PS1, Neo-Geo CD and other similar cases.

https://github.com/libretro/libretro-da … Saturn.dat -- versions look useless and distracting here. As well as publishers.

And what I'm trying to say is that the version should be visible if it clearly states the revision, like in the Nintendo's case. Check the old TOSECISO names for Saturn, for example. They are terrible.

PS2 (as well as Sega systems) versions aren't tied to revisions, so you can't easily predict the missing ones. Like, http://redump.org/disc/39485/ is v1.04, but if to name it according to the version/revision, it should be v1.0/Rev 0 due to its ringcode that ends with "1". http://redump.org/disc/22458/ -- v2.01, ends with "1", so the earlier ones, like v2.00, don't exist _for this serial_ (which differs from the original release, which is http://redump.org/disc/15921/ which is v1.01, ringcodes end with 4 and 5, so it's worth to look for 1 or 2 with the possible v1.00 inside). TimeSplitters v2.00's ringcode ends with "4" and you can't say for sure, whether "1", "2" and "3" would differ or not until you find and dump all the missing rings.

Jackal wrote:

Didnt read all the posts, but when there's multiple versions released of a game, and one of them is undumped, the version can be added to the filename for the one that is dumped. Is that what you mean with New Super Mario Bros. Wii?

When the only currently known release is internally marked as a revised version (so, an earlier one is highly likely to exist, just hasn't been found yet).

johnsanc wrote:

However, even that has caveats. For example there may be 1.01 without a 1.00 ever existing.

Still, nothing bad in calling it (v1.01) to motivate people to look/check for (v1.00). Again, as far as I understand, No-Intro names their roms according to the version/revision, if known, even if the existence of the earlier ones is only suggested, not proven.

Yes, I see the logic now. Most of the releases are v1.00 with the ringcodes end with "-0", some have the updated ones, like v1.01 with the ringcodes end with "-1", etc., so, when you see a standalone v1.01/"-1" or v1.02/"-2", you can assume the earlier versions should exist.

So, the suggestion should be not to "state the version in the dat name even if there is only one version", but to "state the version in the dat if the earlier version/revision is likely to exist". Sounds reasonable, I'm OK with that, but I'm not the GC/Wii/WiiU sections maintainer, so I'd like to hear their dumpers'/mods' opinions as well.

Why do you need to know the version? What does it tell you?

RetroGamer wrote:

Fireball, why this disc http://redump.org/disc/8169 is marked as Rev A? The ringcode says that it's a Rev A but i dumped a lot of discs from different sources, original box and plastic box and i never found the older revision, so it probably doesn't exist... and i never heard of annyone finding it neither...

Because, judging by other discs, the Rev 0 should exist as well. No-Intro also adds the revision, when it's known and when other ones are likely to exist.

https://www.satakore.com/sega-saturn-ga … n-EUR.html -- also lists the Rev 0 as unconfirmed, but possible to exist.

Hiccup wrote:

Currently it is quite confusing. I can't actually tell that it is v1.1 without opening the ISO (e.g. in Dolphin) to check.

And why do you need to tell that?

962

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Dark Frost wrote:

How Can I Copy This My Cd

You either need to buy a specific drive that supports 0xD8 reading command or you can try to use the swapping - http://forum.redump.org/post/60603/#p60603

963

(3,521 replies, posted in General discussion)

rosewood wrote:

Sample 2:
[CDI] Philips CD-i/Video CD Titel-Neuheiten I/95 (818 0058)
2a. Good dump with 20171010
2b. No dump possible with 20171210

Sample 3 (impossible to dump with either version):
[CDI] Philips CD-i/Video CD Titel-Neuheiten II/95 (818 0089)
3a. No dump possible with 20171010

Are you still here? Any chance for TOC & 1st track pregap dumps?

diego-rbb-93 wrote:

As ive been talking recently with JHMiller, our DC dumps made by Redump method are totally functional over Inolen's Redream emulator.

I've just checked its Windows build and I couldn't get any CDDA sound of it, so I'm not sure if it's truly supports Redump-style gdis. Also it crashes every time you try to close it and doesn't seem to support the controllers. Maybe the Android build is better, but clearly not the Windows one.

diego-rbb-93 wrote:
F1ReB4LL wrote:

I still insist on switching to 2xcues+bins smile

Thats a question that the DC dumpers and the rest of the gang with enough technical skills to understand the process should talk on your side. xD

The process and tracks will be the same, just the db should generate cues instead of broken gdis.

965

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Well, c2 errors are reported by the drive, not by the tool. According to the log, a couple of errors were fixed, but the process was stopped by the user. I'd recommend to wait for the process to finish normally.

966

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I don't think everything will need to be redumped, non-zero data doesn't go upto the very end of the last track, so the offset can be fixed quite safely, we just need to define some standard.

В личку отпиши как надумаешь новые дампить или если вдруг появится желание перепроверить некоторые сдампленные перед продажей.

I still insist on switching to 2xcues+bins smile

The Japanese rerelease is dumped and its internal serial and ringcode are from the Asian release, so, 99.9% yes (0.1% for some version difference, but that's unlikely).

Нет, я про более ранние косяки с аудиотреками и их прегапами из-за которых по всем последующим дампам возникали вопросы. По точности верификейшнов в том числе. Вопросов не будет в случае дампов с плекстора, но условно удовлетворительные результаты можно попробовать получить и на обычном приводе (речь, ессно, про диски с аудиотреками). В идеале хотелось бы и передампы тех, что уже в базе.

Потому что часто попадались косячные. Надумаешь опять дампить - можно попробовать другими программками, которые косяки и вопросы сведут к минимуму.

http://redump.org/disc/8335/ -- this one was released in Asia and then rereleased in Japan, What do you think, shoudn't it be (Asia, Japan)? smile
I don't think No-Intro ever faced such issues, so it's pointless to look for examples in their dats.

973

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We need to decide, how to detect the offset on them. But the 'magic' bytes in the first track should be located at the same address for all the dumps.

benclaff wrote:

I attached anyway the DIC logs in the post if something had to be checked later.

The logs in the first post are from the March DIC version, which isn't the most recent one (there were CD-i Ready-related fixes a week ago, you should get a different track 1 checksum with the May version).

You need to d/l the most recent version of DIC for the proper dump.