Saturn Game (with 2 Data Tracks) How to Dump this game?

dumper · 2009-05-02 22:49:56

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I want to dump Christmas Nights into Dreams (E)

This what Exact Audio Copy says:

Track Gap
01 00:02:00 - Data Track
02 00:00:00 - Data Track
03 00:02:00 - Audio Track
04 00:02:00 - Audio Track
Etc 00:02:00 - Audio Track

I have dumped track 01 and 02 using IsoBuster

Then I have used these commands to fix the gaps

"remove -size=150sec track01.bin trash.bin"
"psxt001z --gen pregap.bin 352800"
"copy /b pregap.bin+track02.bin new_track02.bin"

I do have a question. Did I dump this game properly?

I am not very sure, because this website says:
www.toseciso.org/details.php?id=1575 - scroll down

Track Gap
01 00:02:00 - Data Track
02 00:03:00 - Data Track
03 00:02:00 - Audio Track
04 00:02:00 - Audio Track
Etc 00:02:00 - Audio Track

This what I think is right after fixing the gaps:

Track Gap
01 00:00:00 - Data Track
02 00:02:00 - Data Track
03 00:02:00 - Audio Track
04 00:02:00 - Audio Track
Etc 00:02:00 - Audio Track

Rocknroms · 2009-05-03 01:15:10

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Within the next 48 hours I'll post a SS dumping guide so everything should be explained.

To get the right gaps of these games without a plextor and without PerfectRip, you have to check it manually with subs (taken with CloneCD only).
Normally gaps between the 2 data tracks is 3.00 (but could be also 2.00 or 4.00), 1 sector of mode1/2352 and 2 sectors of mode2/2352; take a sub and post it so we can check.

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dumper · 2009-05-03 17:11:19

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http://www.sendspace.com/file/iiaxpe - Christmas Nights into Dreams (E)
http://www.sendspace.com/file/l3t087 - Nights into Dreams (E)
http://www.sendspace.com/file/o8uj6c - Nights into Dreams (U)

F1ReB4LL · 2009-05-03 19:16:12

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Rocknroms wrote:

Normally gaps between the 2 data tracks is 3.00 (but could be also 2.00 or 4.00), 1 sector of mode1/2352 and 2 sectors of mode2/2352; take a sub and post it so we can check.

Gaps can be any, http://redump.org/disc/5255/ -- 6.00, http://redump.org/disc/3283/ -- 8.00.

F1ReB4LL · 2009-05-03 19:38:24

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Christmas Nights into Dreams (E).sub wrote:

FILE "Track01.bin" BINARY
TRACK 01 MODE?/2352
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "Track02.bin" BINARY
TRACK 02 MODE?/2352
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track03.bin" BINARY
TRACK 03 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track04.bin" BINARY
TRACK 04 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track05.bin" BINARY
TRACK 05 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track06.bin" BINARY
TRACK 06 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track07.bin" BINARY
TRACK 07 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track08.bin" BINARY
TRACK 08 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track09.bin" BINARY
TRACK 09 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track10.bin" BINARY
TRACK 10 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track11.bin" BINARY
TRACK 11 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track12.bin" BINARY
TRACK 12 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track13.bin" BINARY
TRACK 13 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track14.bin" BINARY
TRACK 14 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track15.bin" BINARY
TRACK 15 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track16.bin" BINARY
TRACK 16 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track17.bin" BINARY
TRACK 17 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track18.bin" BINARY
TRACK 18 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track19.bin" BINARY
TRACK 19 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track20.bin" BINARY
TRACK 20 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00

Nights into Dreams (E).sub wrote:

FILE "Track01.bin" BINARY
TRACK 01 MODE?/2352
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "Track02.bin" BINARY
TRACK 02 MODE?/2352
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track03.bin" BINARY
TRACK 03 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track04.bin" BINARY
TRACK 04 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track05.bin" BINARY
TRACK 05 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track06.bin" BINARY
TRACK 06 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track07.bin" BINARY
TRACK 07 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track08.bin" BINARY
TRACK 08 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track09.bin" BINARY
TRACK 09 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track10.bin" BINARY
TRACK 10 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track11.bin" BINARY
TRACK 11 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track12.bin" BINARY
TRACK 12 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track13.bin" BINARY
TRACK 13 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track14.bin" BINARY
TRACK 14 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track15.bin" BINARY
TRACK 15 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track16.bin" BINARY
TRACK 16 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track17.bin" BINARY
TRACK 17 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track18.bin" BINARY
TRACK 18 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track19.bin" BINARY
TRACK 19 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track20.bin" BINARY
TRACK 20 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track21.bin" BINARY
TRACK 21 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00

Nights into Dreams (U).sub wrote:

FILE "Track01.bin" BINARY
TRACK 01 MODE?/2352
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "Track02.bin" BINARY
TRACK 02 MODE?/2352
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:03:00
FILE "Track03.bin" BINARY
TRACK 03 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track04.bin" BINARY
TRACK 04 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track05.bin" BINARY
TRACK 05 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track06.bin" BINARY
TRACK 06 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track07.bin" BINARY
TRACK 07 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:01:02
FILE "Track08.bin" BINARY
TRACK 08 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:02
FILE "Track09.bin" BINARY
TRACK 09 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:02
FILE "Track10.bin" BINARY
TRACK 10 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:02
FILE "Track11.bin" BINARY
TRACK 11 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:02
FILE "Track12.bin" BINARY
TRACK 12 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:02
FILE "Track13.bin" BINARY
TRACK 13 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:02
FILE "Track14.bin" BINARY
TRACK 14 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:02
FILE "Track15.bin" BINARY
TRACK 15 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:02
FILE "Track16.bin" BINARY
TRACK 16 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:02
FILE "Track17.bin" BINARY
TRACK 17 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track18.bin" BINARY
TRACK 18 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track19.bin" BINARY
TRACK 19 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track20.bin" BINARY
TRACK 20 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track21.bin" BINARY
TRACK 21 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:02

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dumper wrote:

Then I have used these commands to fix the gaps
"remove -size=150sec track01.bin trash.bin"
"psxt001z --gen pregap.bin 352800"
"copy /b pregap.bin+track02.bin new_track02.bin"

Heey, you can't do this, the gap between the datatracks isn't empty, you must dump it, not generate.

dumper wrote:

I am not very sure, because this website says:
www.toseciso.org/details.php?id=1575 - scroll down
Track Gap
01 00:02:00 - Data Track
02 00:03:00 - Data Track
03 00:02:00 - Audio Track
04 00:02:00 - Audio Track
Etc 00:02:00 - Audio Track
This what I think is right after fixing the gaps:
Track Gap
01 00:00:00 - Data Track
02 00:02:00 - Data Track
03 00:02:00 - Audio Track
04 00:02:00 - Audio Track
Etc 00:02:00 - Audio Track

What's about the ringcode? Maybe there were different pressings?

Rocknroms · 2009-05-03 19:42:20

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I noticed everything above, so it's better to wait for a guide for new dumps. I'm working on it.

F1ReB4LL wrote:

Rocknroms wrote:
Normally gaps between the 2 data tracks is 3.00 (but could be also 2.00 or 4.00), 1 sector of mode1/2352 and 2 sectors of mode2/2352; take a sub and post it so we can check.
Gaps can be any, http://redump.org/disc/5255/ -- 6.00, http://redump.org/disc/3283/ -- 8.00.

Yes, but normally is 3.00, or not?

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F1ReB4LL · 2009-05-03 22:15:27

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Rocknroms wrote:

Yes, but normally is 3.00, or not?

More dumps needed to figure it out.

Rocknroms · 2009-05-03 23:56:55

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F1ReB4LL wrote:

Rocknroms wrote:
Yes, but normally is 3.00, or not?
More dumps needed to figure it out.

How many 2 data tracks SS games do you think were produced? Half were at least dumped, but could be checked within bin-cues/etc. around. You need to dump it all to say that normally it's 3.00? And exceptions are a matter of fact otherwise I will say that "is always 3.00".

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F1ReB4LL · 2009-05-04 04:29:07

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Rocknroms wrote:

Half were at least dumped, but could be checked within bin-cues/etc. around.

They are always bad (CDRWin issue?). Girl Doll Toy #0601 release by Darkwater -- 00:03:00 instead of 00:06:00; same for dozens of VFCG Vol.04: Pai Chan dumps floating around, so I don't believe them.

Rocknroms · 2009-05-04 04:53:07

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F1ReB4LL wrote:

Rocknroms wrote:
Half were at least dumped, but could be checked within bin-cues/etc. around.
They are always bad (CDRWin issue?). Girl Doll Toy #0601 release by Darkwater -- 00:03:00 instead of 00:06:00; same for dozens of VFCG Vol.04: Pai Chan dumps floating around, so I don't believe them.

I mean "identify games with 2 data tracks" and not "identify lenght of pregap", it has to be implicit I know those were wrong after dumping around 200 discs and converting around 300.
All bad dumps around at least don't mismatch data with audio.
I Repeat: after dumping half or more discs with 2 data tracks ---> the common pregap is 3.00 seconds, but obviously it could be also different.

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Rocknroms · 2009-05-04 05:05:43

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dumper wrote:

Then I have used these commands to fix the gaps
"remove -size=150sec track01.bin trash.bin"
"psxt001z --gen pregap.bin 352800"
"copy /b pregap.bin+track02.bin new_track02.bin"

This is wrong as Fireball said.

In this case you have to dump the tracks with Isobuster as normal and then move bytes between the 2 tracks (here you have really to move data as it was said in the other post in patch section):

remove -size=pregap_leght_to_move "track 01.bin" "track_02.bin"

pregap_leght_to_move=pregap of track02

then you have to resize track02

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F1ReB4LL · 2009-05-04 15:47:54

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Better dump each of the first 2 datatracks as a sector range in isobuster. Subs are here, so it's easy to tell the proper ranges for the each one.

Rocknroms · 2009-05-04 16:36:26

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F1ReB4LL wrote:

Better dump each of the first 2 datatracks as a sector range in isobuster. Subs are here, so it's easy to tell the proper ranges for the each one.

And what changes? Isobuster mods the tracks? Indeed, your way can create more mistakes because you have to count 0 as 1 and so on.

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dumper · 2009-05-04 18:19:22

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Christmas Nights into Dreams - Ring: 610-6438P-01130 C
Nights into Dreams (E) - Ring: MK-81020P-00749 A
Nights into Dreams (U) - Ring: JVC SATURN81048BRE P1H26

Christmas Nights into Dreams (E).sub wrote:

FILE "Track01.bin" BINARY
TRACK 01 MODE?/2352
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "Track02.bin" BINARY
TRACK 02 MODE?/2352
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track03.bin" BINARY
TRACK 03 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
Etc

Remove -size=150sec "Track01.bin" "Track02.bin"
RESIZE -r -352800 "Track02.bin"

Nights into Dreams (E).sub wrote:

FILE "Track01.bin" BINARY
TRACK 01 MODE?/2352
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "Track02.bin" BINARY
TRACK 02 MODE?/2352
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track03.bin" BINARY
TRACK 03 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
Etc

Remove -size=150sec "Track01.bin" "Track02.bin"
RESIZE -r -352800 "Track02.bin"

Nights into Dreams (U).sub wrote:

FILE "Track01.bin" BINARY
TRACK 01 MODE?/2352
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "Track02.bin" BINARY
TRACK 02 MODE?/2352
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:03:00
FILE "Track03.bin" BINARY
TRACK 03 AUDIO
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
Etc

Remove -size=225sec "Track01.bin" "Track02.bin"
RESIZE -r -352800 "Track02.bin"

Rocknroms · 2009-05-04 18:30:10

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yes, right.

About this, example on first one

Christmas Nights into Dreams (E).sub wrote:
FILE "Track01.bin" BINARY
TRACK 01 MODE?/2352
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "Track02.bin" BINARY
TRACK 02 MODE?/2352
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00

Should be like this

Christmas Nights into Dreams (E).sub wrote:
FILE "Track01.bin" BINARY
TRACK 01 MODE1/2352
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "Track02.bin" BINARY
TRACK 02 MODE2/2352
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00

But always check through Isobuster if data tracks are mode1 or mode2 (right click on track in the list and see proprieties.)

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dumper · 2009-05-04 18:37:27

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Rocknroms wrote:

But always check through Isobuster if data tracks are mode1 or mode2 (right click on track in the list and see proprieties.)

I will do this and submit my dumps.
Thanks for your help.

Saturn Game (with 2 Data Tracks) How to Dump this game?

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