For some reason I think Samsung SH-D162C/D KREON is the way to go,
but I would like to hear out your opinions, so that I make the best choice possible.
Price is not the issue.
Thanks in advance!
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2 2010-02-17 12:29:07 (edited by amarok 2010-02-17 12:31:13)
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That's what I've been using. Got it very cheap and so far it's always worked for me. It can also dump DC discs (more or less 
) so you won't regret buying it. The only thing it lacks is overreading, but if you're only gonna use it for 360 dumping this is irrelevant.
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Thanks amarok.
Do you think you can also tell me how to dump games using the aforementioned drive, or at least what software do I use?
You can PM the reply if you don't want to claim publicly for any reasons.
Your (or anyone else's) help is appreciated!
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PM sent. Let me know if anyone else is interested 
5 2010-02-24 08:21:04 (edited by Rocket 2010-02-24 08:21:23)
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I have one Xbox 360 demo disc missing in database - "Microsoft Live Arcade - Compilation Disc (Europe)". I don't know how I can dump this disc. My drives is NEC and Plextor (models of drives I don't remember). Please help me with guide.
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6 2010-02-24 14:06:24 (edited by amarok 2010-02-24 14:06:57)
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I believe it's not possible to dump Xbox 360 discs with these drives. They cannot access the game data on the discs, only the video partition. The only drive I can confirm as working is the Samsung SH-D162 with Kreon firmware.
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To be exactly all drives, which are working for Dreamcast dumping, can be used here also (with a little exception that they can not be used to read SS sector data, but DMI & PFI can be read out)
http://forum.redump.org/post/14552/#p14552
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Oh cool, I didn't know that. Do you know what sets these drives apart so they can read these discs?
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amarok wrote:
I didn't know that
I didn't tell you, that's the reason ,)
amarok wrote:
Do you know what sets these drives apart so they can read these discs?
Well, they have to be taken apart, yes! There are some different reasons why that has to be done. And using these drives is much more work (and more complicated) than using a Samsung drive with a hacked firmware -> Kreon.
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Hehe, no, I said "sets apart", not "take apart". I mean, what is different about these drives so they can read these discs most other drives obviously can't read?
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ahh, firmware limitations (and chip set differences)
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I'd like to know the dumping method with the SH-D162D, too. I tried it on my own but I couldn't get a match with the existing dumps, I must have been doing something wrong.
13 2010-02-24 16:26:24 (edited by amarok 2010-02-24 16:26:44)
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You probably haven't replaced the garbage sectors... Try to extract the game again and replace the byte range from 223182848 to 231571456 with 00s in a hex editor for WAVE2/3/4 and WAVE1 (108976-113071) dumps (see the Comments section of the dump to find out which WAVE the disc is). In case of WAVE1 (18128-22223) dumps, replace 37126144 to 45514752. You should get a match then.
If you have further questions or want to dump games that aren't in the DB already I can send you further instructions.
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amarok, are you going the non-isobuster way? i guess you are using XBC (?)
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15 2010-02-24 16:41:08 (edited by amarok 2010-02-24 16:43:37)
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No, always IsoBuster. You should know, 95% of my knowledge of 360 dumping comes from you
Is the XBC method better?
amarok wrote:
You probably haven't replaced the garbage sectors... Try to extract the game again and replace the byte range from 223182848 to 231571456 with 00s in a hex editor for WAVE2/3/4 and WAVE1 (108976-113071) dumps (see the Comments section of the dump to find out which WAVE the disc is). In case of WAVE1 (18128-22223) dumps, replace 37126144 to 45514752. You should get a match then.
Thanks, I'll try it later.
If you have further questions or want to dump games that aren't in the DB already I can send you further instructions.
Please do. I have quite a few games that aren't in the database and I'll probably sell some of them in the near future, so I want to get them dumped before that.
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amarok wrote:
Is the XBC method better?
not really, better use isobuster method.
EDIT:
if you want to write a dumping guide please do so, i have no time for that, i may correct or put some additional info afterward.
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18 2010-02-24 17:12:16 (edited by amarok 2010-02-24 17:12:45)
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I actually have written a "guide" (or rather some crude instructions ) and sent it to several people via PM. I'm reluctant to put it here publicly... You know how much trouble this can cause in our beautiful country -.-
One question that remains is how to distinguish WAVE3 from WAVE4. Supposedly there's also a WAVE5 (with Left4Dead 2 being the first game to use it). Do you by chance have any further information?
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I've put the old description online again http://forum.redump.org/topic/5887/xbox360-dumping/
But we need a better layout for that, if you can, post your guide inside, we will then try to find a way for a nice description together
EDIT:
i have no info now about WAVE5, but i may download L4D2 and get it from there.
EDIT2:
amarok wrote:
One question that remains is how to distinguish WAVE3 from WAVE4
I think there is a way how to do that if you still have some discs with WAVE3 & 4 ? We would need to check the visible partition sizes, they may be slowly different in size !?
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Again, I don't really want to post the guide publicly. Maybe I'm a bit paranoid but this is Xbox 360, not some 20 years old console. It's nothing personal but posting such info in a public forum can cause serious trouble.
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I think there is a way how to do that if you still have some discs with WAVE3 & 4 ? We would need to check the visible partition sizes, they may be slowly different in size !?
Yes I do, I'll have a look. By visible partition you mean the partition you see when you put a disc in a non-compatible drive, right? The partition with VIDEO_TS, AUDIO_TS and the system update?
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okay, we can put it inside of TRACKER section for now, so only registered users with dumper status have access to it
and YES to your question (WAVE4 only, WAVE3 is already mentioned)
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They do indeed differ in size! I've checked 2 games of each WAVE; WAVE3 is 77472 sectors, WAVE4 88800 sectors.
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okay, nice, there IS your difference 
please continue the discussion in the other topic now...
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