• From: Trikala - Greece
  • Registered: 2008-02-03
  • Posts: 367

Although these games 1)http://redump.org/disc/1265/  AND 2)http://redump.org/disc/7812/

have the same size/# of sectors of their audio tracks (same game name - different region), checksums came up different in huygens's dump!
I have recently verified Teecee's Grudge Warriors dump twice...

If anyone has both versions's audio tracks, plz check them for differences

  • Registered: 2006-12-23
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This can happen, although it's not common.. the exe dates aren't exactly close, so that may be a sign..

3 Reply by DJoneK (edited by DJoneK 2009-06-25 12:09:45)

  • Registered: 2008-08-07
  • Posts: 441

If the (U) dump is correct.. then it has a nasty mastering error.. The tracks are offset by 5000 "bytes" (meaning the data starts at 357800).  I don't have the (E) version but if it doesn't have at least 5000 bytes of 00s at the end of each track, then the (U) version has data cut off.  It wouldn't hurt for huygens to double check his dump, but I think mastering errors like these are common. sad

For example... Take the (E) track 2 (the only one I took a look at), add 5000 bytes of 00s at the beginning and cut 5000 bytes at the end and it should match the (U) dump.

  • Registered: 2006-12-23
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5000 = +1250 samples.. There's no indication that huygens' dump is wrong.

  • From: Trikala - Greece
  • Registered: 2008-02-03
  • Posts: 367

Jackal wrote:

This can happen, although it's not common.. the exe dates aren't exactly close, so that may be a sign..

These games were released with exactly 4,5 months difference (1999-11 / 2000-03  ----> (U)=older ) I don't think at all that is so much! I've seen games' audio tracks match with much much larger time differences...

Anyway it's worth a hexedit of both games' tracks to see if samples are missing or if we're talking about completely different tracks.

  • Registered: 2006-12-24
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Different release => different mastering company => different offset.

  • Registered: 2006-12-23
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http://redump.org/disc/4039/ - http://redump.org/disc/7823/

Here are two other tracks that are different.. maybe there's a problem after all? (Though the last track of the (U) dump appears to have a different size)..

  • From: Underworld
  • Registered: 2008-05-28
  • Posts: 386

Here is an example of what kind of differences we are talking about..

http://thumbnails17.imagebam.com/4022/e7a35940219303.gif

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  • Registered: 2006-12-23
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Well, if you got that image from another source then it should be correct

  • From: Trikala - Greece
  • Registered: 2008-02-03
  • Posts: 367

I wonder... How can a drive change all "FEs" to "FCs"? (or vice versa)

That seems like a mass error thoughout the image file to me sad(((