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Hi, I know this is kind of a noob question but I can't seem to figure it out myself sad I'm trying to dump a PC game for the first time. Before, I've only done console games (PSX, PS2, GCN, WII), where you could easily enter the various checksums into the fields at the bottom of the page. For PC games, however, there are no such fields, so where am I supposed to put the checksums?
I think I've read all the relevant guides but I still don't know how to do this sad  That "ClrMamePro data" field must be what I'm looking for, it's just that I don't know what to do in ClrMamePro, hence I have no idea what to enter there. Please shed some light on this.

TIA, amarok smile

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hello amarok
to fill this field you don't need ClrMamePro.
database will parse specifically formatted strings there (eg CMP output),
but it's enought by such pattern:

size 388790304 crc 94ef1ff8 md5 3b6932e4d5f49ba1b9f16e71f7e3509a sha1 3dd27e476804e2623a7a51e219808d0e1d7f499b
size 10678080 crc 7c51bb00 md5 1101f4e0338390301ddc9f9778b9fe19 sha1 0939872cc375a6457326ac9a478265dc59220cc0
size 7328832 crc 9529a93f md5 f9fda92f05c530b1bb6ddd04a6057b66 sha1 eae19bf80275fc84a66888582dd362395da1816c
size 33167904 crc 337d3287 md5 d461826ca0da4791f660b4ec54e6080c sha1 4b55f5f2d026d08fb55af9de2ad462fa8b8abd0a

Track 01 is 1st entry; Track 02 - next ..and so on
number of entries must match to nr. of tracks in cue-sheet

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Ah, thank you big_smile And I won't need to create a cuesheet if the disc only contains a single data track, will I?

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CUE sheets are indeed needed !!!
They contain information to data type

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But aren't they only created by EAC for CDs containing audio tracks? How do I get them for CDs with only a data track? IsoBuster has never put out any cue sheets for me yikes

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Need moar help... I have a PC game here (Warcraft 2) with 1 data track and 16 audio tracks. I tried to detect the gaps with EAC on 3 different drives with all 3 gap extraction methods and got different gaps for every drive and extraction mode! Method A wouldn't work on most drives, but B and C always did. I could try even more drives but I guess I'd only end up with more alternative gaps. What am I supposed to do?

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>But aren't they only created by EAC for CDs containing audio tracks?
sure, EAC is useless for data track images only wink

>How do I get them for CDs with only a data track?
If you wanna use IsoBuster, then do right click on "CD" -> "Extract CD <image>" and after extraction it will ask you for CUE creation, or you can look for DATA TYPE in: Track01 -> Properties -> Advanced -> there you will see Mode1 or Mode2

>and got different gaps for every drive and extraction mode!
Use:
- Gap detection Method A only, nothing else, other methods are in most cases inaccurate !!!
- Detection accuracy: secure, before gap detection set drive read speed to slowest speed !!!

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Thanks for your kind help, iR0b0t. I already have another question tongue
I want to remove the pregap from Track 1 as described in the guide. I downloaded resize, but it keeps telling me that it's incompatible with my 64 bit Windows. Is there anything I can do about that?

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use IsoBuster "extract from ... to" function

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/3088/extractfromto1ik4.png

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/4475/extractfromto2ti1.png

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It's better to use reMove (http://www.mediafire.com/?q1mbksntoje) like this:

remove -size=150sec "Track 01.bin" temp.bin

150sec if pregap is 2.00 seconds / 150 sectors (you can use also bytes or samples).

Then delete temp.bin if everything is ok.

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when it's working on 64-bit system, okay smile

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It works, I just tried it. Thanks to both of you big_smile

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I've come across a CD with quite ridiculous gaps. It's from 1994 so I suppose it's not a copy protection issue. I've obtained consistent results with two drives. What do you say -- do PC games often have strange gaps? They certainly don't look normal to me.

http://pickhost.eu/images/0001/8676/gaps.png

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amarok wrote:

I've come across a CD with quite ridiculous gaps. It's from 1994 so I suppose it's not a copy protection issue. I've obtained consistent results with two drives. What do you say -- do PC games often have strange gaps? They certainly don't look normal to me.

http://pickhost.eu/images/0001/8676/gaps.png

Have you tried using different gap detection methods in EAC? If you continue to get the same gaps on multiple drives with different gap detections then I guess the gaps would be correct. I'm not too sure but I think this might be common of older PC games.

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how do they relate to tracks?
maybe they mark where audio cuts off and silence starts?
i.e. when you move gaps to the next track is the last sector of previous track the last one with samples?

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Subs are needed, can't say anything without them.

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Would CloneCD subs be appropriate? Or should I use another tool?

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amarok wrote:

Would CloneCD subs be appropriate? Or should I use another tool?

Yes, they are ok, but configure CCD as said here http://forum.redump.org/post/15631/#p15631

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Well, here's the sub: http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?yzmjlr5mx3n.
Thank you for your efforts so far big_smile

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So, did anybody have a look at it yet? I've just ordered a more reliable drive which should arrive in a few days, so I might give it a try then again if the subs don't yield correct gaps.

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Track   Mode       Flags   Start               Length
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02      AUDIO      0       01:58:00 (  8850)   32:20:32 (145532)
03      AUDIO      0       34:18:32 (154382)   00:15:28 (  1153)
04      AUDIO      0       34:33:60 (155535)   00:14:55 (  1105)
05      AUDIO      0       34:48:40 (156640)   00:11:62 (   887)
06      AUDIO      0       35:00:27 (157527)   00:11:38 (   863)
07      AUDIO      0       35:11:65 (158390)   00:10:52 (   802)
08      AUDIO      0       35:22:42 (159192)   00:21:38 (  1613)
09      AUDIO      0       35:44:05 (160805)   00:12:42 (   942)
10      AUDIO      0       35:56:47 (161747)   00:12:10 (   910)
11      AUDIO      0       36:08:57 (162657)   00:14:03 (  1053)
12      AUDIO      0       36:22:60 (163710)   00:22:25 (  1675)
13      AUDIO      0       36:45:10 (165385)   00:08:57 (   657)
14      AUDIO      0       36:53:67 (166042)   00:17:05 (  1280)
15      AUDIO      0       37:10:72 (167322)   00:11:30 (   855)
16      AUDIO      0       37:22:27 (168177)   00:12:10 (   910)
17      AUDIO      0       37:34:37 (169087)   00:13:08 (   983)
18      AUDIO      0       37:47:45 (170070)   00:12:12 (   912)
19      AUDIO      0       37:59:57 (170982)   00:17:35 (  1310)
20      AUDIO      0       38:17:17 (172292)   00:14:45 (  1095)
21      AUDIO      0       38:31:62 (173387)   00:11:45 (   870)
22      AUDIO      0       38:43:32 (174257)   00:13:15 (   990)
23      AUDIO      0       38:56:47 (175247)   00:24:20 (  1820)
24      AUDIO      0       39:20:67 (177067)   00:15:13 (  1138)
Leadout                    39:36:05 (178205)

FILE "IMAGE.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 01 MODE?/2352
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
  TRACK 02 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 01:58:00
    INDEX 01 02:00:00
  TRACK 03 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 34:18:32
    INDEX 01 34:29:47
  TRACK 04 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 34:33:60
    INDEX 01 34:41:52
  TRACK 05 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 34:48:40
    INDEX 01 34:54:47
  TRACK 06 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 35:00:27
    INDEX 01 35:06:22
  TRACK 07 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 35:11:65
    INDEX 01 35:18:07
  TRACK 08 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 35:22:42
    INDEX 01 35:40:05
  TRACK 09 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 35:44:05
    INDEX 01 35:52:47
  TRACK 10 AUDIO
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    INDEX 01 36:04:57
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    INDEX 01 36:18:60
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    INDEX 01 36:31:67
  TRACK 13 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 36:45:10
    INDEX 01 36:49:15
  TRACK 14 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 36:53:67
    INDEX 01 37:06:72
  TRACK 15 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 37:10:72
    INDEX 01 37:18:27
  TRACK 16 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 37:22:27
    INDEX 01 37:30:37
  TRACK 17 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 37:34:37
    INDEX 01 37:43:45
  TRACK 18 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 37:47:45
    INDEX 01 37:55:57
  TRACK 19 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 37:59:57
    INDEX 01 38:13:17
  TRACK 20 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 38:17:17
    INDEX 01 38:27:62
  TRACK 21 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 38:31:62
    INDEX 01 38:39:32
  TRACK 22 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 38:43:32
    INDEX 01 38:52:47
  TRACK 23 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 38:56:47
    INDEX 01 39:12:32
  TRACK 24 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 39:20:67
    INDEX 01 39:31:55

FILE "Track01.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 01 MODE?/2352
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "Track02.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 02 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track03.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 03 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:11:15
FILE "Track04.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 04 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:07:67
FILE "Track05.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 05 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:06:07
FILE "Track06.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 06 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:05:70
FILE "Track07.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 07 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:06:17
FILE "Track08.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 08 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:17:38
FILE "Track09.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 09 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:08:42
FILE "Track10.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 10 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:08:10
FILE "Track11.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 11 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:10:03
FILE "Track12.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 12 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:09:07
FILE "Track13.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 13 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:04:05
FILE "Track14.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 14 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:13:05
FILE "Track15.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 15 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:07:30
FILE "Track16.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 16 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:08:10
FILE "Track17.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 17 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:09:08
FILE "Track18.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 18 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:08:12
FILE "Track19.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 19 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:13:35
FILE "Track20.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 20 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:10:45
FILE "Track21.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 21 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:07:45
FILE "Track22.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 22 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:09:15
FILE "Track23.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 23 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:15:60
FILE "Track24.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 24 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:10:63

Gaps match EAC ones.

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Wow, thanks big_smile I hope that analysis didn't take you too long hmm

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Actually, just a few secs tongue