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Tomb Raider III: Adventures of Lara Croft
Language: English
Region : USA
Ring: SF300463-01
         VDMS/CA 377279-3
Write Offset : -12

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size 621624192 crc 5d7ad6dc md5 c9bc1d4a3f71d40813c5b11498d16e50 sha1 01c4db468e87c5a4119a8821fdf6ad1ed615b93c
size 3880800 crc 56903d96 md5 039286cd61d33ac2a516334949672529 sha1 5baa34fe7687fe35e2b20baa307180850335bb07
size 177997008 crc db77aa2b md5 644b7f4f87e7db8c778126ca5f48bd2f sha1 52358aa98991ce152c2b02e96e810be710c2e4b8
size 3010560 crc 5fe41843 md5 e21c32f1279796d12af21483aace3ff9 sha1 bf62bce93fc2f4bdc9d7f3241e17056d352d4949

Cue

FILE "Track01.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 01 MODE1/2352
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "Track02.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 02 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track03.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 03 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 16:28:04
FILE "Track04.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 04 MODE1/2352
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:03:00

The new disc function throw this error
Cuesheet: row 11, error 11
I think that the huge pre-gap is the problem.

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someone should check the sub pregap of track03, if pnkiller78 would upload it smile

pnkiller78, isn't track04 protected with unreadable data?

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iR0b0t wrote:

someone should check the sub pregap of track03, if pnkiller78 would upload it smile

pnkiller78, isn't track04 protected with unreadable data?

What tool do you recommend for extracting sub? CloneCD, Alcohol, PerfectRip?
Track 4 was dumped with PerfectRip...

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Are you sure PerfectRip created this image without errors? Such PC CDs (Data + Audio + Audio + Data) are in most cases protected with unreadable data in Track04 also the 2nd Data Track. You can dump it again in PR, you will see that PR will finish reading it, but with a warning "dump was not successful"

Please dump it again, but in CCD-read-mode (it will create SUB file), and set read speed to 1x

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Here's the PR log

©2006   H & H   s o f t w e r x.
PerfectRip v1.00 b30 log. 16/02/2009 09:02:41 PM

Type    . Time        . Description
------- + ----------- + -----------
Info    | 09:02:41 PM | Current device: PLEXTOR DVDR   PX-760A  1.07
Info    | 09:02:41 PM | Reported CD read speed (kbytes/s): 1411(8x)
Info    | 09:02:41 PM | Current read error recovery setting: mode: 00h retry count: 10
Info    | 09:02:41 PM | Setting of read error recovery to normal with 3 retries was successful.
Info    | 09:02:41 PM | Detecting subcode/C2 pointers priority..
Info    | 09:02:41 PM | Detecting and correcting subchannel offset..
Info    | 09:02:43 PM | Subcode/C2 priority is: main+C2+sub.
Info    | 09:02:43 PM | Subchannel sector offset: 0
Info    | 09:02:43 PM | Detection finished.
Info    | 09:02:43 PM | Main channel read offset correction: -72 bytes (-18 samples)
Info    | 09:02:43 PM | Main channel write offset correction: 0 bytes (0 samples)
Info    | 09:02:43 PM | Subchannel offset correction: 0 sectors
Info    | 09:02:43 PM | C2 error pointers offset correction: -72 bits
Error   | 09:02:43 PM | Read CD-TEXT command failed!
Info    | 09:02:43 PM | Reading Media Catalog Number...
Info    | 09:02:44 PM | MCN not encoded
Info    | 09:02:44 PM | Reading International Standard Recording Code...
Info    | 09:02:45 PM | ISRC(track 1) not encoded
Info    | 09:02:46 PM | ISRC(track 2) not encoded
Info    | 09:02:46 PM | ISRC(track 3) not encoded
Info    | 09:02:47 PM | ISRC(track 4) not encoded
Info    | 09:02:47 PM | Trk 01: 00:00.00 to 58:45.70 (000000 to 264445), duration: 58:45.71 (264446)
Info    | 09:02:47 PM | Trk 01 format type is CD-ROM mode 1
Error   | 09:12:19 PM | Error while burst reading sectors: 264276 to 264298 (58:43.51 to 58:43.73)
Info    | 09:12:19 PM | Retrying with 1 sector reads from: 264276 (58:43.51)
Info    | 09:12:19 PM | Pause found: 01020000017400584571EC1D
Info    | 09:12:19 PM | 1 sector reads were ok, setting back to burst reading from: 264299 (58:43.74)
Info    | 09:12:19 PM | FLAGS DATA
Info    | 09:12:19 PM | Current copyright flag !DCP kept
Info    | 09:12:19 PM | Trk 02: 58:45.71 to 75:33.74 (264446 to 340049), duration: 16:48.04 (075604)
Info    | 09:12:19 PM | Trk 02 format type is CDDA
Info    | 09:12:19 PM | Index found: 010201000000005847711C8C
Info    | 09:12:24 PM | Pause found: 01030016280300590771CA46
Info    | 09:18:01 PM | Current copyright flag !DCP kept
Info    | 09:18:01 PM | Trk 03: 75:34.00 to 75:57.74 (340050 to 341849), duration: 00:24.00 (001800)
Info    | 09:18:01 PM | Trk 03 format type is CDDA
Info    | 09:18:07 PM | Pause found: 01040000027400755700B745
Info    | 09:18:09 PM | Current copyright flag !DCP kept
Info    | 09:18:09 PM | Trk 04: 75:58.00 to 76:12.04 (341850 to 342904), duration: 00:14.05 (001055)
Info    | 09:18:09 PM | Trk 04 format type is CD-ROM mode 1
Info    | 09:18:09 PM | Index found: 410401000000007600005334
Info    | 09:18:14 PM | FLAGS DATA
Info    | 09:18:14 PM | Current copyright flag !DCP kept
Info    | 09:18:14 PM | OL: 76:12.05 to 76:12.06 (342905 to 342906), duration: 00:00.02 (000002)
Info    | 09:18:14 PM | Setting back of saved read error recovery parameters was successful.
Info    | 09:18:14 PM | Total corrupt Q subcode blocks: 2617
Info    | 09:18:14 PM | Trk 01 corrupt symbols (C2 pointers): 0
Warning | 09:18:14 PM | Trk 02 corrupt symbols (C2 pointers): 1057
Info    | 09:18:14 PM | Trk 03 corrupt symbols (C2 pointers): 0
Info    | 09:18:14 PM | Trk 04 corrupt symbols (C2 pointers): 0
Warning | 09:18:14 PM | Total corrupt symbols (C2 pointers): 1057
Info    | 09:18:14 PM | Reading process completed successfully.

and here are the subs

The disk is a little bit scrached but with other drives, the track 2 doesn't give any problems in EAC.

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Perhaps I should try dumping my copy soon to see if I get any similar results.

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7 Reply by Haldrie (edited by Haldrie 2009-03-26 04:53:35)

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Wow I can't believe no one has made any progress with this. I finally pulled out my copy of Tomb Raider III and my disc has the same ring as the one mentioned here. I managed to get a perfect copy dumped (it mounts in Daemon Tools too) and the pregap I got for track 3 is 16:13:13 with a 3 second pregap on track 4. Right now I'm about to verify this dump by dumping it again on another drive and seeing if it matches.

Oh and after looking up at the previous posts here I guess I should mentions a few other things. I used EAC to dump the audio tracks and Track 4 is completely readable. It only seems to have information about the ISO and Joliet file systems as well as the disc name which is the same as Track 1 but there is no file info and the rest of the data after that is all zeroes in the user data area (at least from what I can tell).

[EDIT]
Ok now I see what you were having problems with as far as a cuesheet error. I just got the same one while trying to add my dump. I'll PM Dremora and see if he can fix it.

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Gimme the subs, the link below is dead.

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Ok I decided to do another dump of this using CDRWin and the cuesheet it makes looks like this:

FILE "C:\DOCUMENTS AND SETTINGS\OWNER\DESKTOP\TR3.BIN" BINARY
  TRACK 01 MODE1/2352
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
  TRACK 02 AUDIO
    PREGAP 00:02:00
    INDEX 01 58:58:62
  TRACK 03 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 75:18:41
    INDEX 01 75:32:00
  TRACK 04 MODE1/2352
    PREGAP 00:03:00
    INDEX 01 75:53:00

As you can see unlike PSX games, where the gaps are listed as indexes, this disc actually has them marked as pregaps with the exception of track 3. Not sure how this will effect anything but I just thought I would bring this up.

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subs-subs-subs )

11 Reply by Haldrie (edited by Haldrie 2009-03-27 19:23:11)

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F1ReB4LL wrote:

subs-subs-subs )

Ok ok I'll dump the game a few times and upload the subs for you.

[EDIT]
Ok I dumped my copy 3 times at the slowest speed using CloneCD and here is the links to all 3 subs.
http://haldrie.com/files/TR3_Subs.rar

[EDIT2]
Ok I was wrong about my ring being the same as the one posted above here is the ring from my copy.
VDMS/CA 377630-3 SF300693-01

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FILE "TR3PC_1.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 01 MODE?/2352
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
  TRACK 02 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 58:58:62
    INDEX 01 59:00:62
  TRACK 03 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 59:20:62
    INDEX 01 75:34:00
  TRACK 04 MODE?/2352
    INDEX 00 75:55:00
    INDEX 01 75:58:00

FILE "Track01.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 01 MODE?/2352
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "Track02.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 02 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track03.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 03 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 16:13:13
FILE "Track04.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 04 MODE?/2352
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:03:00

Track   Mode       Flags   Start               Length
-----------------------------------------------------------------
01      DATA       4       00:00:00 (     0)   58:58:62 (265412)
02      AUDIO      0       58:58:62 (265412)   00:22:00 (  1650)
03      AUDIO      0       59:20:62 (267062)   16:34:13 ( 74563)
04      DATA       4       75:55:00 (341625)   00:19:05 (  1430)
Leadout                    76:14:05 (343055)

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Well that's the same cue I got from EAC. I wonder why CDRWin showed something different. Anyway I've yet to get a reply from Dremora about fixing the cuesheet parser to allow that cue data so I don't know if it's really been fixed or not. I've been ready to post it for the last couple of days now.

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Wow, I tough this one was dead, I've been away for almost 2 month, I sold my computer and almost have no time to read or post while in work. I will try to get connected again to all this when I get a new computer, hope it will be this month smile

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After talking 1 on 1 with Dremora in the IRC we have now fixed the cueparser to allow the large pregap seen in this discs and I have managed to post the dump of my copy of this game.

http://redump.org/disc/6584/

The date for the TOMB3.EXE file on my disc (as well as a small portion of files in the root) is 1998-12-02.
http://haldrie.com/files/tr3filelist.png

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Mine is 1998-11-15 19:34
Maybe you should add your serial to distinguish between the two disc.

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pnkiller78 wrote:

Mine is 1998-11-15 19:34
Maybe you should add your serial to distinguish between the two disc.

Where did you find the serial number at?

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Haldrie wrote:
pnkiller78 wrote:

Mine is 1998-11-15 19:34
Maybe you should add your serial to distinguish between the two disc.

Where did you find the serial number at?

It's the volume serial number.. if you do 'dir' on the CD in command prompt you will see it mentioned there.

ps. there's a difference of 2 seconds between the last data track of both dumps (and between the total amount of sectors of all tracks).. I think one of the dumps has a last track with the wrong pregap? Meaning track 3 and 4 should have the same checksums for both dumps.. maybe redump with perfectrip?

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Jackal wrote:
Haldrie wrote:
pnkiller78 wrote:

Mine is 1998-11-15 19:34
Maybe you should add your serial to distinguish between the two disc.

Where did you find the serial number at?

It's the volume serial number.. if you do 'dir' on the CD in command prompt you will see it mentioned there.

ps. there's a difference of 2 seconds between the last data track of both dumps (and between the total amount of sectors of all tracks).. I think one of the dumps has a last track with the wrong pregap? Meaning track 3 and 4 should have the same checksums for both dumps.. maybe redump with perfectrip?

I've checked mine and the total number of blocks listed in ISOBuster match the number of sectors for all tracks that I posted. Also are you sure that the volume serial will match over different discs with the same data? Isn't this serial unique to each discs?

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I checked, the sizes are correct.

Exact Audio Copy V0.99 prebeta 4 from 23. January 2008

EAC extraction logfile from 11. April 2009, 23:39

- / Tomb Raider III - Adventures of Lara Croft (U)

Used drive  : PLEXTOR DVDR   PX-760A   Adapter: 0  ID: 0

Read mode               : Secure
Utilize accurate stream : Yes
Defeat audio cache      : No
Make use of C2 pointers : Yes

Read offset correction                      : 18
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out          : Yes
Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes
Delete leading and trailing silent blocks   : No
Null samples used in CRC calculations       : Yes
Used interface                              : Installed external ASPI interface
Gap handling                                : Appended to next track

Used output format : Microsoft PCM Converter
Sample format      : 44.100 kHz, 16 Bit, Stereo


TOC of the extracted CD

     Track |   Start  |  Length  | Start sector | End sector 
    ---------------------------------------------------------
        1  |  0:00.00 | 58:45.71 |         0    |   264445   
        2  | 58:45.71 | 16:48.04 |    264446    |   340049   
        3  | 75:34.00 |  0:24.00 |    340050    |   341849   
        4  | 75:58.00 |  0:14.05 |    341850    |   342904   


Track  2

     Filename D:\cdimages\__TEMP\pc\IMAGE\Tomb Raider III - Adventures of Lara Croft (U) (Track 2).bin

     Pre-gap length  0:00:02.00

     Peak level 0.0 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC 56903D96
     Copy CRC 56903D96
     Copy OK

Track  3

     Filename D:\cdimages\__TEMP\pc\IMAGE\Tomb Raider III - Adventures of Lara Croft (U) (Track 3).bin

     Pre-gap length  0:16:28.04

     Peak level 0.0 %
     Track quality 99.6 %
     Test CRC DB77AA2B
     Copy CRC DB77AA2B
     Copy OK

No errors occurred

End of status report

PerfectRip

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PerfectRip v1.00 b30 log. 11/04/2009 11:40:31 PM

Type    . Time        . Description
------- + ----------- + -----------
Info    | 11:40:31 PM | Current device: PLEXTOR DVDR   PX-760A  1.07
Info    | 11:40:31 PM | Reported CD read speed (kbytes/s): 1411(8x)
Info    | 11:40:31 PM | Current read error recovery setting: mode: 00h retry count: 10
Info    | 11:40:31 PM | Setting of read error recovery to normal with 3 retries was successful.
Info    | 11:40:31 PM | Detecting subcode/C2 pointers priority..
Info    | 11:40:31 PM | Detecting and correcting subchannel offset..
Info    | 11:40:34 PM | Subcode/C2 priority is: main+C2+sub.
Info    | 11:40:34 PM | Subchannel sector offset: 0
Info    | 11:40:34 PM | Detection finished.
Info    | 11:40:34 PM | Main channel read offset correction: -72 bytes (-18 samples)
Info    | 11:40:34 PM | Main channel write offset correction: 0 bytes (0 samples)
Info    | 11:40:34 PM | Subchannel offset correction: 0 sectors
Info    | 11:40:34 PM | C2 error pointers offset correction: -72 bits
Error   | 11:40:34 PM | Read CD-TEXT command failed!
Info    | 11:40:34 PM | Reading Media Catalog Number...
Info    | 11:40:35 PM | MCN not encoded
Info    | 11:40:35 PM | Reading International Standard Recording Code...
Info    | 11:40:36 PM | ISRC(track 1) not encoded
Info    | 11:40:37 PM | ISRC(track 2) not encoded
Info    | 11:40:38 PM | ISRC(track 3) not encoded
Info    | 11:40:38 PM | ISRC(track 4) not encoded
Info    | 11:40:38 PM | Trk 01: 00:00.00 to 58:45.70 (000000 to 264445), duration: 58:45.71 (264446)
Info    | 11:40:39 PM | Trk 01 format type is CD-ROM mode 1
Error   | 11:50:14 PM | Error while burst reading sectors: 264276 to 264298 (58:43.51 to 58:43.73)
Info    | 11:50:14 PM | Retrying with 1 sector reads from: 264276 (58:43.51)
Info    | 11:50:14 PM | Pause found: 01020000017400584571EC1D
Info    | 11:50:14 PM | 1 sector reads were ok, setting back to burst reading from: 264299 (58:43.74)
Info    | 11:50:14 PM | FLAGS DATA
Info    | 11:50:14 PM | Current copyright flag !DCP kept
Info    | 11:50:14 PM | Trk 02: 58:45.71 to 75:33.74 (264446 to 340049), duration: 16:48.04 (075604)
Info    | 11:50:15 PM | Trk 02 format type is CDDA
Info    | 11:50:15 PM | Index found: 010201000000005847711C8C
Info    | 11:50:19 PM | Pause found: 01030016280300590771CA46
Info    | 11:56:03 PM | Current copyright flag !DCP kept
Info    | 11:56:03 PM | Trk 03: 75:34.00 to 75:57.74 (340050 to 341849), duration: 00:24.00 (001800)
Info    | 11:56:03 PM | Trk 03 format type is CDDA
Info    | 11:56:09 PM | Pause found: 01040000027400755700B745
Info    | 11:56:11 PM | Current copyright flag !DCP kept
Info    | 11:56:11 PM | Trk 04: 75:58.00 to 76:12.04 (341850 to 342904), duration: 00:14.05 (001055)
Info    | 11:56:11 PM | Trk 04 format type is CD-ROM mode 1
Info    | 11:56:11 PM | Index found: 410401000000007600005334
Info    | 11:56:16 PM | FLAGS DATA
Info    | 11:56:16 PM | Current copyright flag !DCP kept
Info    | 11:56:16 PM | OL: 76:12.05 to 76:12.05 (342905 to 342905), duration: 00:00.01 (000001)
Info    | 11:56:16 PM | Setting back of saved read error recovery parameters was successful.
Info    | 11:56:16 PM | Total corrupt Q subcode blocks: 2745
Info    | 11:56:16 PM | Trk 01 corrupt symbols (C2 pointers): 0
Warning | 11:56:16 PM | Trk 02 corrupt symbols (C2 pointers): 1909
Info    | 11:56:16 PM | Trk 03 corrupt symbols (C2 pointers): 0
Info    | 11:56:16 PM | Trk 04 corrupt symbols (C2 pointers): 0
Warning | 11:56:16 PM | Total corrupt symbols (C2 pointers): 1909
Info    | 11:56:16 PM | Reading process completed successfully.
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Hmm ok, I guess it's alright then.

The volume serial number only looks at the filesystem, so if the data track's the same then so is the serial.