Post new reply

Thank you very much Administrator.

Does anyone tested if this firmware bug is found on every firmware versions ? Just a thought, as it is not clearly stated.

I raise the error retry up to 25000 with my 4x read batch file, so yes it's fine.

Nope, 716 and 760 (and others) just have a firmware bug, most safedisc will work fine but some will fail. This is for CD SafeDisc only. I recommend a PX-W5224TA or Premium 1/2 as these drives can dump all. Keep the 716A for DVD and LaserLock.

We are currently not saving DPM. You can use either Alcohol or Daemon Tools.

These sector protections we are currently trying to find or create a solution for. In the mean time Dameon Tools can dump them for you own use, but the images are encrypted so not useful to us.

What is the problem with SafeDisc DVD?

It only takes a long time if the disc is damaged, for the good discs /c2 9999 shouldn't be longer than /c2 1. And if your disc is damaged it's upto you to decide if you want to wait for as good dump as possible or not.

I hope our PC gurus will answer the rest of the questions.

Thank you for answers to many questions.
Please allow me to ask some questions at the end.

The default value for /c2 is 4000. Is it okay to change the value if it takes a long time?

"Be aware that the PX-716 series (possibly other DVD drives) is unsuitable for dumping some SafeDisc versions (Illegal MSF)."
Can't read SafeDisc using 0xbe on px-716 series?

"SecuROM (v4.x or higher), StarForce, CD-Cops [recording density]
=> These needs DPM (Data position measurement). Cue, ccd doesn't support DPM. You need to use the Alcohol 120/52% to store it, "
Is written to use Alcohol,
"Alpha-ROM, ROOT, TAGES [duplicated (double, triple) sector]
=> It can read in reverse, but specifications are not decided in redump.org "
What alternative software should I use to rip these discs?

During my trial, I realized that DIC is not compatible with Safe-Disc (DVD).
What alternative software should I use for ripping?

If you use "eject", the tray will open and that's all. If you close it normally, the drive will load the data CD TOC and will read and descramble the data like before.

Overreading is needed to read the last audio track upto the end. When the combined offset is positive, the data is shifted into lead-out and you need overreading feature or swapping to read the shifted bytes. And the track will be incomplete without those bytes.

”The TOC gets updated when you press the "eject" button on the drive or when you send the "eject" command from the operating system. If you want to read the disc as scrambled on a "normal" drive, you need to insert the audio CD, then to swap it with the data CD, the drive will "think" the audio CD is still inserted and show you the data without descrambling.”
I understand that the TOC will be updated if you use "eject" after exchanging data CD from audio CD without using "eject", but is there any chance that it will be descrambled at that time?

”If your drive supports overreading, you don't need to use swapping to read the audio tracks. But if you want to read the data as scrambled and your drive doesn't support the D8, D9 commands, you need to use swapping.”
I understand that ripping can start immediately if overreading is possible and there is no data track.
Can not use DIC with drives that can not be overreading?

The TOC gets updated when you press the "eject" button on the drive or when you send the "eject" command from the operating system. If you want to read the disc as scrambled on a "normal" drive, you need to insert the audio CD, then to swap it with the data CD, the drive will "think" the audio CD is still inserted and show you the data without descrambling.

If your drive supports overreading, you don't need to use swapping to read the audio tracks. But if you want to read the data as scrambled and your drive doesn't support the D8, D9 commands, you need to use swapping.

Thank you for answering.
I once again recognized that PLEXTOR was a really good drive maker.

"Without updating the TOC."
What should I do to update?

"Of course. And if the Audio CD has more sectors than your data+audio disc, you will be able to read the offset-shifted data from leadout even without the overreading into leadout feature."
In other words, is there no problem if it supports over reading?

Means we don't know, you need to test by yourself and report us.

Yes, if you want to be able to read all the sectors as scrambled. You can also burn your own CD with a single 700MB dummy (empty) audio track and use it (but some drives only allow to swap pressed discs to pressed discs and cd-rs to cdrs).

Of course. And if the Audio CD has more sectors than your data+audio disc, you will be able to read the offset-shifted data from leadout even without the overreading into leadout feature.

It doesn't read the actual -5000 to -1100 sectors, it's more of a special command, the drive then reads the TOC area, first pregap and sometimes the main data areas (somewhat random). It's hard to explain, you need to buy a Plextor and test by yourself.

No, these db entries have additional files with a partial subchannel contents.

Thank you for solving many questions.
I'm sorry but I want you to get along with my question a little more.

"Be aware the PX-W4824 series is suitable for dumping discs with secuROM (CDC100, CDS200, Label Gate, and XCP (Does not read TOC correct)).
Be aware that the PX-716 series (possibly other DVD drives) is unsuitable for dumping some SafeDisc versions (Illegal MSF). "
= There is no problem at present, including drives that do not support 0xd8 except this,
Thank you.
Does "possibly other DVD drives" mean all DVD drives?

"if you insert the audio CD first, then replace it with the data CD without triggering the tray ejection, so the drive could work with the data CD without updating the TOC."
Is the first audio CD to be inserted limited to one with no data track?
Is it possible to insert a data CD containing music tracks next?
Is the unit of -1100 a sector?
Can not read until -1099?
Are the libcrypt and securom fields in .bin?

http://wiki.redump.org/index.php?title= … _(DIC_CLI)

Any DVD drive, if you remove its metal cover to change the discs manually. Many drives also allow to change the discs by using the pin hole to mechanically eject the tray (but not all).

You need to make your own Kreon-like firmware to perform those additional commands.

Decoded cuesheets are stored + specific libcrypt and securom fields, where needed. Sadly, our db doesn't allow to store the raw subs nor to store the key values and generate subs on the fly.

I don't remember how the /p command works, but you can extract the -5000 to -1100 range instead, it will include the TOC and the entire pregap.

We need the disc itself or, at least, someone who has it.

If not, subchannel data is included only in .sub, but
There are only bin and cue in the database,
Is there no problem?