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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>F1ReB4LL wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I don&#039;t see any comments nor any actions on fixing the titles.</p></blockquote></div><p>I don&#039;t want to criticize anyone, but my fix request is still unresolved <img src="http://forum.redump.org/img/smilies/neutral.png" width="15" height="15" alt="neutral" /> :</p><p><a href="http://forum.redump.org/topic/4957/missing-info-for-battle-stadium-don/">http://forum.redump.org/topic/4957/miss … adium-don/</a></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 00:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: What title should I have to use when adding japanese titles?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t see any comments nor any actions on fixing the titles.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: What title should I have to use when adding japanese titles?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>gigadeath wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I already said I was wrong about not informing you about the changes.</p></blockquote></div><p>What&#039;s done is done, try to concentrate on the naming instead.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>gigadeath wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Still, I refuse the &quot;as is&quot; stance, especially since we agreed to adhere to a convention. The whole point of a convention is to plane exceptions off to standardize naming. I really don&#039;t get how the &quot;as is&quot; and the &quot;convention-y&quot; stances can live together in a coherent way. Either take everything &quot;as is&quot; and leave for good the convention facade which got the footlights lately, or develop a convention to standardize Japanese naming too. As I said, we just can&#039;t boast about how we have a new convention for Western naming, while Japanese naming is left in poor ol&#039; &quot;as is&quot; state. It&#039;s not coherent acting.</p></blockquote></div><p>Read again:</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>F1ReB4LL wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Btw, I think that all the alternative titles should have english symbols only in Shift-JIS (no ISO symbols), all the subtitles should be shown between &quot;～&quot; symbols and &quot;・&quot; should be used to split katakana words. And all the spaces should be wide (from a Shift-JIS table), not the regular ones, shown by pressing the spacebar button.</p></blockquote></div><p>Do you see &quot;as is&quot; anywhere? And the only thing I&#039;ve offered to retype &quot;as is&quot; in my last PM were those &quot;・&quot; symbols, and mainly because there are many titles with them and many titles without - without the active member with proper knowledges there will be many titles with &quot;・&quot; and many without, anyway.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>gigadeath wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I still consider aphonetical characters completely useless, or at least not enough useful to force a double standard.</p></blockquote></div><p>I agree, that I&#039;m not really strong in Japanese, but for me, those &quot;～&quot; and &quot;・&quot; symbols make the titles more readable. I don&#039;t really understand the phraze &quot;I still consider aphonetical characters completely useless&quot;, because I can&#039;t imagine someone claims that &quot;punctuation symbols in [some Western language] are useless and superfluous&quot;, maybe it&#039;s normal for Japanese? But why there are so many titles/covers with them, then?</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (F1ReB4LL)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 16:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I already said I was wrong about not informing you about the changes.</p><p>Still, I refuse the &quot;as is&quot; stance, especially since we agreed to adhere to a convention. The whole point of a convention is to plane exceptions off to standardize naming. I really don&#039;t get how the &quot;as is&quot; and the &quot;convention-y&quot; stances can live together in a coherent way. Either take everything &quot;as is&quot; and leave for good the convention facade which got the footlights lately, or develop a convention to standardize Japanese naming too. As I said, we just can&#039;t boast about how we have a new convention for Western naming, while Japanese naming is left in poor ol&#039; &quot;as is&quot; state. It&#039;s not coherent acting.</p><p>I still consider aphonetical characters completely useless, or at least not enough useful to force a double standard. About ISO vs JIS, I&#039;ll simply repeat that I don&#039;t prefer ISO chars; if we&#039;ll reach an all-JIS standard I&#039;ll be more than happy. That doesn&#039;t change the fact that the whole database is/was already half JIS and half ISO, and you know it. Standing halfway, I simply took the direction to a standard you consider wrong, instead to a standard you consider good, but I sure didn&#039;t disrupt a perfect database like it seemed from your words.</p><p>(moreover, Japanese users can install ISO support on their OS, just like we installed kanji support on ours; unless they&#039;re mentally handicapped, I don&#039;t get why you think they absolutely have to get the soup ready on the table, unlike us)</p><p>BTW, No-Intro and Redump.org cannot in any way be compared. Romsets are in their mature phase, they require simple fine-tuning, nothing that requires any mass renaming. That said, your temper is a completely different issue. I don&#039;t dispute your knowledge, but your attitude doesn&#039;t simplify things here. And I&#039;m not talking about this particular argument between us; several other flame-y discussions have been brought up lately, discussions I had no part in.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>The only thing I&#039;m actually trying to do - is to offer a japanese naming standard, <span class="bbu">like you&#039;ve offered</span>. I&#039;ve already explained everything to you via PM weeks ago, but all the entries are still the same - I <strong>won&#039;t</strong> fix them by myself, because it were you, who have touched them, so it should be you to repair them, too. <span class="bbu">I&#039;m not asking you to revert the changes</span>, but I strongly dislike the standard you&#039;ve chosen. If someone doesn&#039;t agree with my view on japanese naming here - discuss it.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>gigadeath wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I hope it&#039;s clear that I take absolutely NO responsibility upon myself for your &quot;demotivation&quot;, sorry. Blame yourself if you feel demotivated. Try a support group or something like that.</p></blockquote></div><p>Because I hate, when someone changes my entries without even consulting with me.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>gigadeath wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Besides, I don&#039;t know if I&#039;m the only one thinking this, but I also think you&#039;re not the best person to be the admin here, considering your temper.</p></blockquote></div><p>I doubt No-Intro allows such a massive db changes without informing/discussing w/anyone.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 13:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: What title should I have to use when adding japanese titles?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>F1ReB4LL wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>iR0b0t wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I don&#039;t know if <strong>Blood+: Souyoku no Battle Rondo</strong> is correct,<br />but alt. title should be <em>BLOOD+ ～双翼のバトル輪舞曲～</em></p></blockquote></div><p>Btw, I think that all the alternative titles should have english symbols only in Shift-JIS (no ISO symbols), all the subtitles should be shown between &quot;～&quot; symbols and &quot;・&quot; should be used to split katakana words. And all the spaces should be wide (from a Shift-JIS table), not the regular ones, shown by pressing the spacebar button. Gigadeath has recently screwed _the whole_ Saturn section by removing all the &quot;～&quot; and &quot;・&quot; symbols and changing all the letters to ISO ones. Honestly, this made me even less motivated to dump the rest of my Saturn <img src="http://forum.redump.org/img/smilies/roll.png" width="15" height="15" alt="roll" /></p><p><a href="http://www.rikai.com/library/kanjitables/kanji_codes.sjis.shtml">http://www.rikai.com/library/kanjitable … sjis.shtml</a> -- a table with all the Shift-JIS symbols for those, who can&#039;t type them.</p></blockquote></div><p>The response to this is already in the PMs I sent you weeks ago. Feel free to copy/paste them here if you prefer to make the whole discussion public. I couldn&#039;t care less <img src="http://forum.redump.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p><p>I hope it&#039;s clear that I take absolutely NO responsibility upon myself for your &quot;demotivation&quot;, sorry. Blame yourself if you feel demotivated. Try a support group or something like that.</p><p>Half the JP database is/was already in ISO form, and ～s and ・s are completely useless from both phonetical and semantical points of view.</p><p>Besides, I don&#039;t know if I&#039;m the only one thinking this, but I also think you&#039;re not the best person to be the admin here, considering your temper.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 12:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>hmm, what&#039;s that?</p><p>arrrrrrrrrr <span class="postimg"><img src="http://www.greensmilies.com/smile/smiley_emoticons_pirat5.gif" alt="http://www.greensmilies.com/smile/smiley_emoticons_pirat5.gif" /></span></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>iR0b0t wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I don&#039;t know if <strong>Blood+: Souyoku no Battle Rondo</strong> is correct,<br />but alt. title should be <em>BLOOD+ ～双翼のバトル輪舞曲～</em></p></blockquote></div><p>Btw, I think that all the alternative titles should have english symbols only in Shift-JIS (no ISO symbols), all the subtitles should be shown between &quot;～&quot; symbols and &quot;・&quot; should be used to split katakana words. And all the spaces should be wide (from a Shift-JIS table), not the regular ones, shown by pressing the spacebar button. Gigadeath has recently screwed _the whole_ Saturn section by removing all the &quot;～&quot; and &quot;・&quot; symbols and changing all the letters to ISO ones. Honestly, this made me even less motivated to dump the rest of my Saturn <img src="http://forum.redump.org/img/smilies/roll.png" width="15" height="15" alt="roll" /></p><p><a href="http://www.rikai.com/library/kanjitables/kanji_codes.sjis.shtml">http://www.rikai.com/library/kanjitable … sjis.shtml</a> -- a table with all the Shift-JIS symbols for those, who can&#039;t type them.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>About PS2 traslated titles the best source around is gamefaqs, I don&#039;t know any other dedicated better site.<br />However about name fields for Jap games:</p><p>1) NAME has to be in romanji and not translated and / or kanji</p><p>2) ALT NAME has to be the real kanji name</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I think ダイナソー is just japanese for Dinosaur, and if so it has to be in the alternative title field</p><p>I don&#039;t know if <strong>Blood+: Souyoku no Battle Rondo</strong> is correct,<br />but alt. title should be <em>BLOOD+ ～双翼のバトル輪舞曲～</em></p><p>there are some Japanese mod guys here, they can tell you more <img src="http://forum.redump.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (iR0b0t)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>This is a question as a response to the next posts:</p><p><a href="http://forum.redump.org/topic/4958/fixed-asian-charaters-have-gonbe-all-weird/">http://forum.redump.org/topic/4958/fixe … all-weird/</a></p><p><a href="http://forum.redump.org/topic/4957/missing-info-for-battle-stadium-don/">http://forum.redump.org/topic/4957/miss … adium-don/</a></p><p>What are the right title I should use the next time? I mean, if you see this pictures:</p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://www.geo-online.co.jp/img/item/630/00116300014.jpg" alt="http://www.geo-online.co.jp/img/item/630/00116300014.jpg" /></span></p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://www.geo-online.co.jp/img/item/630/00116300024.jpg" alt="http://www.geo-online.co.jp/img/item/630/00116300024.jpg" /></span></p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://www.geo-online.co.jp/img/item/630/00116300034.jpg" alt="http://www.geo-online.co.jp/img/item/630/00116300034.jpg" /></span></p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://www.geo-online.co.jp/img/item/630/00116300094.jpg" alt="http://www.geo-online.co.jp/img/item/630/00116300094.jpg" /></span> </p><p>You could note that the &quot;real and coplete&quot; japanese title is &quot;Disney&#039;s Dinosaur ダイナソー&quot; </p><p>So, if the rule of the forum is to use first a &quot;transliterated&quot; title, and then add the real and complete title as a &quot;alternative title&quot;: </p><p>Where is the official source of those transliterated titles?</p><p>I mean, being those games NTSC-J, you shouldn&#039;t wait to see an English title on it. Of course there are some japanese games that does include some words in English within their titles, but what about those only have japanes words?</p><p>By the way, why you deleted the &quot;alternative&quot; japanese titles and transliterations from my next dump:</p><p><a href="http://redump.org/disc/8510/">http://redump.org/disc/8510/</a></p><p>You can view the japanese title and some alternative transliterations in the&nbsp; next sites:</p><p><a href="http://www.geo-online.co.jp/ds/0016074/">http://www.geo-online.co.jp/ds/0016074/</a></p><p><a href="http://ps2.ign.com/objects/768/768262.html">http://ps2.ign.com/objects/768/768262.html</a></p><p><a href="http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-r-49-jp-70-1d0y.html">http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-r-4 … -1d0y.html</a></p><p><a href="http://www.jp.playstation.com/scej/title/blood/">http://www.jp.playstation.com/scej/title/blood/</a></p><p>Thanks in advance.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 08:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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