It seems some of the games in the db have a wrong Mould SID Code: IFPI 4011 instead of IFPI4011.
I already submitted one game, and I checked 2 others this evening:
http://redump.org/disc/35728/
http://redump.org/disc/17753/
My copies have IFPI4011 [no space] where in the db the codes submitted have a space.
I am pretty sure the db has mistakes on some games for this IFPI code.

Is it possible to have an extraction of the DB with all the Saturn games with this Mould SID code so I could check easily my copies ?
I know that some games has space and some has no space for this code. So all the games must be rechecked.

(just for a space).

All of them, or just the once with a space inbetween?

Edit: there are just a few without space, i will list all of them.

1426
1427
1428
1439
1440
1441
1610
1624
1625
1626
1627
1643
1647
1806
1823
1834
1835
2119
2153
2174
2273
2278
2279
2280
2358
2518
2596
2626
2639
2646
2668
2669
2670
2768
2827
3081
3171
3225
3227
3234
3235
3236
3237
3238
3292
3316
3375
3502
3505
3507
3510
3516
3517
3522
3523
3526
3527
3561
3652
3654
3662
3664
3707
3712
3714
3743
3744
3747
3780
3857
3889
3891
3892
4206
4376
4392
4809
4897
4898
4900
4903
4904
4906
4907
4909
4910
4911
4916
4929
4942
4944
4947
5045
5049
5051
5063
5071
5072
5074
5076
5082
5085
5087
5088
5089
5105
5106
5108
5113
5161
5251
5254
5255
5259
5260
5261
5268
5269
6291
6546
8020
8021
8023
8026
8028
8032
8037
8039
8553
8555
8556
8634
8635
8636
8637
8686
8687
8689
8690
8691
8692
8704
8705
8706
8707
8708
8709
8726
9313
9318
9319
9321
10122
10124
10125
10126
10129
10130
10131
12756
12757
12758
12759
15462
15881
15882
16967
16968
17013
17016
17017
17018
17020
17035
17146
17147
17149
17165
17186
17199
17200
17265
17304
17305
17342
17354
17355
17360
17371
17380
17385
17386
17417
17443
17471
17643
17753
17995
18985
18986
18987
18996
18997
18998
19023
19201
19440
19663
19664
19686
20117
20310
20311
22400
22724
23002
23074
23081
23121
23123
23661
23662
23671
24197
24198
24214
24217
24221
24240
24241
24242
24243
24244
24282
24283
24298
24829
24830
24832
24845
24863
24864
24880
25186
25214
25215
25216
25220
25221
25223
25227
25230
25246
25250
25253
25258
25296
25304
25305
25361
25371
25372
25376
25378
25379
25380
25381
25411
25412
25413
25414
25415
25418
25419
25846
26466
26467
26473
26483
26486
26487
26493
26520
26544
26546
26567
26568
26695
26737
26744
26817
26818
26819
26825
26836
26837
28740
28747
28862
28906
28916
28917
28962
28966
29010
29061
29062
29063
29083
29084
29085
29108
29117
29118
29119
29120
29121
29125
29126
29405
29406
29407
29408
29409
29700
32530
32531
32827
32833
33433
33434
33840
34275
34277
34278
34281
34316
34317
34341
34346
34429
34430
34431
34432
34433
34443
34632
34635
34636
34637
34651
34652
34660
34733
34739
34844
34845
34900
34901
34903
34904
34905
34906
35240
35241
35250
35251
35252
35547
35548
35566
35577
35578
35579
35586
35587
35597
35653
35654
35657
35709
35710
35711
35712
35717
35728
35735
35738
35743
35865
35989
35991
36356
38304
40363
40364
40365
40418
40428
40434
40444
40446
40477
40478
40505
40506
40519
40548
40564
40629
40631
40663
40667
40671
41094
41096
41097
41101
41102
41145
41189
41217
41310
41313
41349
41400
41401
41402
41414
41415
41416
41420
41472
41593
41594
41607
41609
41652
41663
41867
41886
41887
41888
41889
41890
41896
41902
42117
42122
42140
42219
42232
42371
42376
42383
42428
42446
42448
42449
42450
42460
42462
42495
42496
42597
42598
42600
42603
42604
42605
42618
42623
42629
42630
42631
42765
42767
42768
42769
42983
43052
43179
43194
43296
44684
44685
44693
44695
44700
44701
44764
44766
44767
45081
45082
45083
45106
45109
45110
45111
45114
45116
45117
45118
45119
45277
45278
45365
45520
45521
45523
45579
45580
45930
45957
45958
46001
46008
46316
46452
46594
49823
53072
53073
55103
55104
55175
56196
57012
57013
58100
58101
58187
58701
58703
58705
59787
59788
61035
61074
61079
61080
61108
PX-760A (+30), PX-W4824TA (+98), GSA-H42L (+667), GDR-8164B (+102), SH-D162D (+6), SOHD-167T (+12)

I think that there are certain rules about adding to the Redump DB the mastering and mould SID codes.

For instance:
"IFPI LP 11" is added as "IFPI LP11"
"ifpi 1234" is added as "IFPI 1234"

I think that those SID codes should be added as printed in the disc but, if i recall well, the administrators decided many years ago that they should be added following a standard...

"Did you ever wonder why we had to run for shelter when the promise of a brave new world unfurled beneath a clear blue sky?"

RetroGamer wrote:

if i recall well, the administrators decided many years ago that they should be added following a standard

This has been reverted/changed back, means that everything is being added "as is".

PX-760A (+30), PX-W4824TA (+98), GSA-H42L (+667), GDR-8164B (+102), SH-D162D (+6), SOHD-167T (+12)

5 (edited by Madroms 2019-04-27 07:35:14)

I just checked the first 3:
1426 Lunar 2: Eternal Blue (Disc 1)    => IFPI4011
1427 Lunar 2: Eternal Blue (Disc 2)    => IFPI4011
1428 Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers + Ronde    => IFPI4011

My copies have no space.

I think that original dumpers of all of these games must recheck their CDs.
As there are 543 discs in your listing, I probably will not check all of them myself.

Madroms wrote:

IFPI 4011 instead of IFPI4011

I don't remember which one, but one of my Saturn games has IFPI 4011 on one copy and IFPI4011 on another.

Madroms wrote:

=> IFPIL4011

No "L" there smile

Madroms wrote:

As there are 543 discs in your listing, I probably will not check all of them myself.

There are also 4001 (many Japanese discs), 4021, 4101, 4111 (these 3 are mostly on US discs) and maybe others smile

RetroGamer wrote:

I think that there are certain rules about adding to the Redump DB the mastering and mould SID codes.

For instance:
"IFPI LP 11" is added as "IFPI LP11"
"ifpi 1234" is added as "IFPI 1234"

We've used to unify them, but adding them "as is" now as requested by many dumpers (unless certain mods are unaware and continue to "fix" them).

Oh yes, IFPI4011, my hand automatically type a "L" big_smile
Post edited.

F1ReB4LL wrote:
Madroms wrote:

IFPI 4011 instead of IFPI4011

I don't remember which one, but one of my Saturn games has IFPI 4011 on one copy and IFPI4011 on another.

This is why I think original dumpers must check the CDs they submitted in the past. It will be more secure for the db than me or new dumpers submit new Mould SID codes, as it will not allow to be 100% sure the IFPI 4011 of old submissions are bad or not.

If time and willingness were completely unlimited commodities, having all original dumpers check all of their games for that space could theoretically be a possibility.  But neither are unlimited unfortunately.  If people truly want to check them, sure that's great, obviously it will improve accuracy.  But I don't think it is significant enough of an issue to reach out to everyone and have them do so, when there are...more pressing things they might be attending to.

Since protocols like this have changed over time, and even currently accepted protocols haven't always been consistently communicated to both dumpers and mods, there will definitely be inconsistencies like this in the database. 

There are countless "issues" with the mould codes in the database such as this.  For example, many people submitted mould codes by adding "IFPI" even if it wasn't on the disc because that's what they were told to do.  Some people were told to capitalize IFPI even if it was lowercase. 

I do think it's good to be consistent going forward, and I certainly have no problem with correcting the previous inconsistencies as they arise, but I doubt in this case that people are going to want to go back and check all of that, and I'm certainly not reaching out to them to do so because I think it is a...secondary / tertiary / lower priority issue at the moment. 

I verified even some of Fireball's Saturn discs where he had a space and I didn't.  Who knows whether his original was "correct" or added under the previous protocol.

sadikyo wrote:

I verified even some of Fireball's Saturn discs where he had a space and I didn't.  Who knows whether his original was "correct" or added under the previous protocol.

Nah, I also didn't, just added them the "standard" way back then. I agree we should document that stuff accurately when possible, but the mould text isn't really connected with the data, only mastering part is important (with the only exception of Sega CD/Saturn discs where the mastering section is completely or almost empty and all the text is physically written instead). So I don't think it should be a target #1 to recheck all the moulds ASAP, but I'd say most of those entries are quite old and often have missing IFPIs and toolstamps, PVDs, barcodes, unverified cues and headers, so, most of them need to be rechecked and revised sooner or later, anyway.

Yes, not a priority, but must be noted to be done. For what I undertood, the db must be 100% accurate if possible.

Btw, I'm always leaving an additional comment when the space in "IFPI 4011" is verified. If there's no comment, it should be rechecked.