1 (edited by fuzzball 2021-04-29 08:21:11)

Q1.
What is the difference between "Bundled with Magazine" and "Covermount"?
http://redump.org/disc/32589/
http://redump.org/disc/72791/

Q2.
What is the difference between "Reprint" and "Rerelease"?
Is there a distinction between them?

The edition field is rather free form, therefore discrepancies often occur.
In my opinion both discs have a wrong edition.
Since both seem to be covermounts (although I can't comprehend Japanese), they should probably just be the "original" edition.

Where did you find reprint? It seems to be worded rather strangely for this site.

But finding such discrepancies or strange editions / names is probably something you will sadly have to live with.
E. g. I recently came across the "BestSeller Series" editions of some Blizzard games and someone entered Diablo II as "BestSeller Series (2nd edition)", although that does not make much sense. There is just one edition of those Bestseller Series titles.
And then there are titles like "Quake III Arena", which is named "Quake III: Arena" in the database.
It would probably cause too much work for you and the responsible moderator, to write a fix request for everything that is unfitting.

max wrote:

Where did you find reprint? It seems to be worded rather strangely for this site.

http://redump.org/discs/edition/reprint/

max wrote:

It would probably cause too much work for you and the responsible moderator, to write a fix request for everything that is unfitting.

I just don't want to get lost myself, but unifying the wording would be better.

fuzzball wrote:

What is the difference between "Bundled with Magazine" and "Covermount"?

I think "Covermount" is a mod's (Lizard) mistake.

fuzzball wrote:

What is the difference between "Reprint" and "Rerelease"?
Is there a distinction between them?

Rerelease is used when the game was released again with a different serial/barcode/packaging and there's no proper name for the new release (no "capcolle", no "value", etc.). For example, http://redump.org/disc/37395/ vs. http://redump.org/disc/37302/

Reprint is a very special case when the game was printed again with the same serials and covers but with different contents and the releases are somehow distinguishable. For example, http://redump.org/disc/10368/ vs. http://redump.org/disc/60391/ (back cover text and CD label changes) or http://redump.org/disc/5364/ vs. http://redump.org/disc/75024/ (CD label changes) or http://redump.org/disc/60904/ vs. http://redump.org/disc/37047/ (CD label changes; probably a bootleg, but can't be said for sure).

6 (edited by fuzzball 2021-06-08 09:47:10)

F1ReB4LL wrote:

I think "Covermount" is a mod's (Lizard) mistake.

"Covermount" seems to have a long history.

These are "Covermount" from 2009.
http://redump.org/disc/9594/changes/
http://redump.org/disc/10120/changes/

These were changed from "Bundled with Magazne" to "Covermount" in May 2018.
http://redump.org/disc/9201/changes/
http://redump.org/disc/9239/changes/

F1ReB4LL wrote:

Reprint is a very special case when the game was printed again with the same serials and covers but with different contents and the releases are somehow distinguishable.

So, most "Reprint" is wrong, right?

7 (edited by TonyLizard 2021-06-08 09:52:27)

F1ReB4LL wrote:
fuzzball wrote:

What is the difference between "Bundled with Magazine" and "Covermount"?

I think "Covermount" is a mod's (Lizard) mistake.

No one ever used "Bundled with Magazine" in PC or MAC datfiles (in the recent history, at least). And fuzzball itself submitted all the Maclife/MacPeople/MacUser discs with the Covermount tag. Why this should be my mistake? I feel like Bart Simpson sometimes.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37nwLhIA1zs
That's not something i've just invented, i mean, there's even a Wikipedia page on it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covermount

Covermount (sometimes written cover mount) is the name given to storage media (containing software and or audiovisual media) or other products (ranging from toys to flip-flops) packaged as part of a magazine or newspaper. The name comes from the method of packaging; the media or product is placed in a transparent plastic sleeve and mounted on the cover of the magazine with adhesive tape or glue.

To be honest after reading this clear description "Bundled with Magazine" seems to be just a fancy way to say the exact same thing...

max wrote:

E. g. I recently came across the "BestSeller Series" editions of some Blizzard games and someone entered Diablo II as "BestSeller Series (2nd edition)", although that does not make much sense. There is just one edition of those Bestseller Series titles.
And then there are titles like "Quake III Arena", which is named "Quake III: Arena" in the database.

I'm not sure what happened there with the BestSeller Series (2nd edition), maybe it was used because it's a second print run with a different disc or barcode? It's not uncommon to have different discs for the same "edition", BestSeller Series in this particular case. In regards of the Quake III Arena, i agree that we can rename that, but i've seen different references to Quake III Arena or Quake III: Arena in a lot of websites. Going by the name on Steam and what's written on the cover i would be honestly remove the two dots.

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Lizard wrote:

No one ever used "Bundled with Magazine" in PC or MAC datfiles (in the recent history, at least). And fuzzball itself submitted all the Maclife/MacPeople/MacUser discs with the Covermount tag.

Yes, I referred to the submissions of other monthly magazines.

Lizard wrote:

I'm not sure what happened there with the BestSeller Series (2nd edition), maybe it was used because it's a second print run with a different disc or barcode? It's not uncommon to have different discs for the same "edition", BestSeller Series in this particular case. In regards of the Quake III Arena, i agree that we can rename that, but i've seen different references to Quake III Arena or Quake III: Arena in a lot of websites. Going by the name on Steam and what's written on the cover i would be honestly remove the two dots.

In fact, the difference is not big. From the point of view of writing logic, a colon is necessary. Remember the Lord of the Rings trilogy. There, the second part of the name is written after the colon.

To my understanding, "Covermount" and "Bundled with magazine" is the exact same thing...
I always used "Covermount" when i submited a disc that was bundled with a magazine because technically it's the correct term...

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fuzzball wrote:

So, most "Reprint" is wrong, right?

Probably.

RetroGamer wrote:

To my understanding, "Covermount" and "Bundled with magazine" is the exact same thing...
I always used "Covermount" when i submited a disc that was bundled with a magazine because technically it's the correct term...

What's about the ones that came with the books? Also "covermount"? And how to distinct the ones that came with the books from the ones that came with the magazines, if so? Magazines are periodical, books are single-time releases, there's quite a big difference.

Lizard wrote:

And fuzzball itself submitted all the Maclife/MacPeople/MacUser discs with the Covermount tag. Why this should be my mistake?

Because it is your duty as a mod to verify all the fields before accepting, any mistake is your mistake smile

F1ReB4LL wrote:

What's about the ones that came with the books? Also "covermount"? And how to distinct the ones that came with the books from the ones that came with the magazines, if so? Magazines are periodical, books are single-time releases, there's quite a big difference.

In theory, there should be different definitions. You are right, the magazine is published at regular intervals, but the book is published only once. Although, if we are talking about a series of books, then this is a completely different question.

13 (edited by fuzzball 2021-06-09 13:31:15)

F1ReB4LL wrote:
Lizard wrote:

And fuzzball itself submitted all the Maclife/MacPeople/MacUser discs with the Covermount tag. Why this should be my mistake?

Because it is your duty as a mod to verify all the fields before accepting, any mistake is your mistake smile

It is an ideal, not a realistic. First, the rules do not exists.

F1ReB4LL wrote:

Because it is your duty as a mod to verify all the fields before accepting, any mistake is your mistake smile

Okay, but as i've explained that before, i don't really see this as a problem or a mistake.
And covermount should be used, IMHO, just only with the discs bundled with the magazines.
We can write "Bundled with Guide Book", for example, when the disc was bundled with a Guide Book/Strategy Guide or something similar, i don't know, in a similar way as we're doing with bundled Audio and DVD discs, when we're writing "PS2 Game Bundle" or "Bundled with Sony PlayStation 2 Game".

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Is there a reason to distinguish guide books from other books? The reason to separate book discs and magazine discs is the book discs are usually either tied to the book contents or contain standalone game demos, while the magazine discs are usually demo + multimedia + free software compilations (we even have a "coverdiscs" category for them, because it's like a unique "genre"). Some magazine CDs also had complete retail games on them, while I don't remember any books with retail games included (except the cases when the book comes as a bonus to the boxed retail game itself, but it's a different story).

Perhaps there is. Travel guides are a separate type of literature; they are not fiction, not a dictionary, or a textbook. To be honest, I had the experience of buying a book with a disc when I started learning Spanish. Together with the textbook, there was a disc with audio recordings for the lessons.