Topic: Settlers III Mission CD copy protected by Sysiphus

Hi,  this CD seems to be protected by a few data tracks on the outside of the ring being scratched off or unreadable.  I can't really tell except there's a visible ring on the label side of the disc and it fails to read at about 60%ish. Should I treat this as a form of SafeDisc copy protection and run CD manipulator?

Re: Settlers III Mission CD copy protected by Sysiphus

Normally it's protected by Ring PROTECH. What's Sysiphus?

Re: Settlers III Mission CD copy protected by Sysiphus

reentrant wrote:

Normally it's protected by Ring PROTECH. What's Sysiphus?

I'm not sure.  I just know it's not safedisc and Wikipedia is calling it that

4 (edited by reentrant 2017-05-15 22:49:08)

Re: Settlers III Mission CD copy protected by Sysiphus

It's Ring PROTECH and it's very heavy disc to dump in terms of difficulty. You need at least 2 drives to dump it. A Plextor and something else with good reading capabilities like Sony OptiARC. If you want to start dumping I suggest you start with something less evil...

Re: Settlers III Mission CD copy protected by Sysiphus

reentrant wrote:

Normally it's protected by Ring PROTECH. What's Sysiphus?

Settlers 3 had a custom protection that altered game logic to make it frustratingly unplayable (smelters produced the wrong items, that made it impossible to produce necessary equipment).

6 (edited by comradesean 2017-07-05 05:32:34)

Re: Settlers III Mission CD copy protected by Sysiphus

I do have a plextor and I'll purchase an OptiARC if necessary, but I was wondering if you could explain the process?

edit:
since it's a mixed CD and the ring protect seems to be in the audio tracks, does that mean it's not possible to split the data from audio when dumping this disc?


edit:
It looks like the ring IS in the data track, but that must mean the audio tracks are very small since the ring is like a cm from the outside edge. I'm running it through DIC now with ignore errors and I'm getting this

LBA[214258, 0x344f2], [F:ProcessReadCD][L:1264] OperationCode: 0xd8
        ScsiStatus: 0x02 = CHECK_CONDITION
        SenseData Key-Asc-Ascq: 03-02-8d = MEDIUM_ERROR - OTHER
LBA[214258, 0x344f2] Read error. padding at 0x55 [2336byte]

I assume this is is proper?


I was actually able to dump it with CloneCD and it bypassed the in-game copy protection, but I couldn't get matching checksums so I'm gonna run this twice and see if it's different.

7 (edited by comradesean 2017-07-07 05:35:25)

Re: Settlers III Mission CD copy protected by Sysiphus

comradesean wrote:

I do have a plextor and I'll purchase an OptiARC if necessary, but I was wondering if you could explain the process?

edit:
since it's a mixed CD and the ring protect seems to be in the audio tracks, does that mean it's not possible to split the data from audio when dumping this disc?


edit:
It looks like the ring IS in the data track, but that must mean the audio tracks are very small since the ring is like a cm from the outside edge. I'm running it through DIC now with ignore errors and I'm getting this

LBA[214258, 0x344f2], [F:ProcessReadCD][L:1264] OperationCode: 0xd8
        ScsiStatus: 0x02 = CHECK_CONDITION
        SenseData Key-Asc-Ascq: 03-02-8d = MEDIUM_ERROR - OTHER
LBA[214258, 0x344f2] Read error. padding at 0x55 [2336byte]

I assume this is is proper?


I was actually able to dump it with CloneCD and it bypassed the in-game copy protection, but I couldn't get matching checksums so I'm gonna run this twice and see if it's different.


Ran it three times and I'm unable to get a matching checksum. There is a triangle scratch on the bottom that "might" be the cause, but I'm not sure if this is a result of the ring protect or that. I'll try getting it buffed and maybe buy another copy off ebay if that doesn't work, but I'm not making any progress right now.


last edit:
I realized I had another disc with ring protect and it was flawless in appearance. I ran it twice in DIC ignoring read errors at 4x speed and I could not create matching images. I'm obviously doing something wrong.

Re: Settlers III Mission CD copy protected by Sysiphus

http://redump.org/disc/43270/
Same disc?

9 (edited by comradesean 2017-07-10 08:39:09)

Re: Settlers III Mission CD copy protected by Sysiphus

sarami wrote:

http://redump.org/disc/43270/
Same disc?

Nah, it's the US release. Mastering code is CBBR0018.

10 (edited by reentrant 2017-07-10 16:41:21)

Re: Settlers III Mission CD copy protected by Sysiphus

It could this: http://redump.org/disc/42279/

Also Ring PROTECH cannot be dumped with Plextors.
1) Extract AUDIO using DIC.
2) Extract DATA using OptiARC.

This is the only solution...

Re: Settlers III Mission CD copy protected by Sysiphus

reentrant wrote:

It could this: http://redump.org/disc/42279/

Also Ring PROTECH cannot be dumped with Plextors.
1) Extract AUDIO using DIC.
2) Extract DATA using OptiARC.

This is the only solution...

Dump like safedisc?

Re: Settlers III Mission CD copy protected by Sysiphus

Yes

Re: Settlers III Mission CD copy protected by Sysiphus

reentrant wrote:

It could this: http://redump.org/disc/42279/

Also Ring PROTECH cannot be dumped with Plextors.
1) Extract AUDIO using DIC.
2) Extract DATA using OptiARC.

This is the only solution...

Does this disc has "PROTECT.PRO" file? or found the string "Allocator" in bin file?


https://www.gamecopyworld.eu/games/pc_s … _old.shtml

Unreadable Errors
The topside of CD #1 has been "damaged", a ring (about 1 mm) is clearly visible at about 1/3 of the outside of the CD.

GameCopyWorld isn't using the word "Ring PROTECH". If this disc is really Ring PROTECH, GameCopyWorld will also use this word.
Protected disc list: http://www.cdmediaworld.com/hardware/cd … tech.shtml
This protect is also adopted in Japanese disc. http://www12.plala.or.jp/t2-bun/list5.html

14 (edited by comradesean 2017-07-11 17:28:42)

Re: Settlers III Mission CD copy protected by Sysiphus

sarami wrote:
reentrant wrote:

It could this: http://redump.org/disc/42279/

Also Ring PROTECH cannot be dumped with Plextors.
1) Extract AUDIO using DIC.
2) Extract DATA using OptiARC.

This is the only solution...

Does this disc has "PROTECT.PRO" file? or found the string "Allocator" in bin file?


https://www.gamecopyworld.eu/games/pc_s … _old.shtml

Unreadable Errors
The topside of CD #1 has been "damaged", a ring (about 1 mm) is clearly visible at about 1/3 of the outside of the CD.

GameCopyWorld isn't using the word "Ring PROTECH". If this disc is really Ring PROTECH, GameCopyWorld will also use this word.
Protected disc list: http://www.cdmediaworld.com/hardware/cd … tech.shtml
This protect is also adopted in Japanese disc. http://www12.plala.or.jp/t2-bun/list5.html

It is definitely similiar, but I don't think it's the exact same protection. Might have been licensed by the company and alteted since I've only ever heard of it on Settlers III and it's expansions. I'll check for the files tonight, but pretty sure they aren't there.

On another note, I ordered an AD-7201S that is on it's way

15 (edited by comradesean 2017-07-17 10:17:19)

Re: Settlers III Mission CD copy protected by Sysiphus

I'm at a loss. Using the Optiarc with CDM and I'm getting different number of errors every time I run it again.

edit: Got the same number of errors on two different dumps, but different errors and mismatch on CRC.

16 (edited by escarlata Today 17:25:30)

Re: Settlers III Mission CD copy protected by Sysiphus

reentrant wrote:

It could this: http://redump.org/disc/42279/

Also Ring PROTECH cannot be dumped with Plextors.
1) Extract AUDIO using DIC.
2) Extract DATA using OptiARC.

This is the only solution...

I'm new here! What is DIC? And what's the best method for dumping only Audio CDs? I couldn't find a guide for that

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Re: Settlers III Mission CD copy protected by Sysiphus

escarlata wrote:

I'm new here! What is DIC? And what's the best method for dumping only Audio CDs? I couldn't find a guide for that

DIC = DiscImageCreator, which can be used to dump audio discs.

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