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sarami wrote:
Madroms wrote:

I have a problem with latest DIC test

Deleted unused code. (Not test)
https://www.mediafire.com/file/eq80y20l … st.7z/file

Thanks. Logs attached.
It seems ok now. Let me know if you find something weird with these latest logs.

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I have a problem with latest DIC test vs. DIC 20200921 for a multisession disc, on track 3 (data track, 2nd session).
Logs, picture of 1st sector of data track and onscreen reports of DIC test attached.

Dump with latest test version seems wrong.

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sarami wrote:
Madroms wrote:

I have a problem with a multisession disc.
It is very slow beginning at sector 61105 then hangs the ODD after a while. I need to switch it off electrically then on to have access to it again.

It's a known issue. https://github.com/saramibreak/DiscImag … /issues/41
Use DVD model (PX-7xx).

Great, it works with 716A. Thanks.
I didn't see the issues on GH.

Adding a warning or a stop (like when using ODD without latest firmware) when someone try to dump a multisession disc with PW4012 and other ODD not compatible: is it possible?

I pretty sure you will have some other users asking the same in the future wink

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I have a problem with a multisession disc.
It is very slow beginning at sector 61105 then hangs the ODD after a while. I need to switch it off electrically then on to have access to it again.

Log attached.

On screen:

This drive supports [OpCode: 0xd8, SubCode: 0]
This drive supports [OpCode: 0xd8, SubCode: 1]
This drive supports [OpCode: 0xd8, SubCode: 2]
This drive supports [OpCode: 0xd8, SubCode: 8]
Checking reading lead-out -> OK
Checking SubQ adr (Track)  4/ 4
[INFO] This disc is Multi-Session. /ms is set.
Checking SubRtoW (Track)  4/ 4
Reading DirectoryRecord    6/   6

[INFO] Protection can't be detected. /sf, /ss is ignored.
Set OpCode: 0xd8, SubCode: 8(Raw)
Checking SubQ ctl (Track)  4/ 4
Creating .scm (LBA)  56604/174371 Lead-out length of 1st session: 6750
Creating .scm (LBA)  56609/174371 End of readable sector
Creating .scm (LBA)  61105/174371[F:ProcessReadCD][L:288] GetLastError: 121, Le
dÚlai de temporisation de sÚmaphore a expirÚ.

Creating .scm (LBA)  61107/174371

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Latest dump for my GEX US on 4012a: GEX_US_4012_F-logs.rar
so with c2 and f params: no error on sector 97747, but 2 bad MSF and sector 98215 with ECC/EDC error.

I also added the T... logs in case you need them.



So I try to sum this up (for other users):
DIC + my 4012 ODD with [SS] GEX US disc:
- with c2 param: no c2 error reported but 1 sector (97747) with EDC/ECC error => bad dump
- with c2 param + f param: no c2 error reported, sector 97747 is good but 1 sector (98215) with EDC/ECC error and 2 MSF errors => bad dump
- with no c2 param: sector 97747 is good but a lot of errors: 697 MSF errors, 7 ECC/EDC errors, 60 invalid sync => bad dump
- with no c2 param + with f param: sector 97747 is good but 2 MSF errors + 7 ECC/EDC errors => bad dump
- same results with latest DIC test
[why the sector 97747 is bad with c2 param, but good without it ? Something I don't understand myself]

DIC + my 716a ODD with [SS] GEX US disc:
- with c2 param: no error => good dump
- without c2 param: no error  => good dump

DIC + my 4012 ODD: Speed param does not work correctly: it always dump at 2x

Other tools + my 4012 ODD with [SS] GEX US disc:
- T...: good dump
- cdtoimg: good dump (scrambled, no offset correction)
- Isobuster: good dump
- CD Manipulator: good dump

So at the moment, dumping with DIC on 4012 ODD is not 100% accurate as there could be errors not identified correctly.
For example, I think about PSX games where ECC/EDC errors could be normal, but, as seen with my GEX US [SS] disc, these errors could also be due to a problem with DIC+4012.
On the opposite, a game with intended errors could be dumped without error reported but DIC on 4012 ODD, whereas it must have errors.
=> with this setup (DIC+4012 ODD), you could have:
Games without intended error dumped with errors (no c2 error, but errors in MSF, ECC/EDC, etc.)
Or games with intended errors dumped without error.



How to avoid these problems with 4012 ODD ?
As other dumpers stated the 4012 ODD is the best Plextor drive to dump CDs, how could we help to improve the use of DIC with such ODD ?


Or any other users with [SS] GEX US disc and 4012 ODD ? To confirm the problem (or not).



[FYI, I also identified a bug with 755 ODD some months ago, when dumping 2 3DO games, Killing Time and Icebreaker 2 if I remember correctly].

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sarami wrote:
Madroms wrote:

but a lot of new errors (697) on other sectors (MSF, ECC/EDC, sync).

This is well known problem. (Main channel is shifted unexpectedly)
In many cases, this is a drive problem. Try to use /f. Or changed the drive speed. (But I'm not sure whether the  problem is avoided.)

With /f: a lot less errors (without c2 param) but still 2 MSF and 7 ECC/EDC errors (no error on sector 97747): GEX_US_4012_NO_C2_F-logs.rar
And it is very slow.

The speed param does not work correctly with 4012: 8, 16 and 40 gave the same time dumping a cd. (log attached for the speed 40 and c2 param, just in case).
For this disc, it is always about 12-13 minutes to run DIC (118650 sectors), so about x2 (?) speed.

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sarami wrote:
Madroms wrote:

Do you need anything else ?

Try to dump the disc without /c2.

4 more logs available.
With 716a: no problem, no error, good dump
With 4012 and DIC: sector 97747 without error, but a lot of new errors (697) on other sectors (MSF, ECC/EDC, sync). How is it possible when with c2 param there is no error on any of these sectors ?
With 4012 and DIC test (2 dumps made): sector 97747 without error, but a lot of new errors (677, so 20 less than with DIC official release) on other sectors (MSF, ECC/EDC, sync).

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sarami wrote:
Madroms wrote:

Do you need any other logs ?

Try to use cdtoimg.exe http://www.mediafire.com/file/9b31r4fv44eut36/file
This is a simple 0xd8 dumping tool. You can compare the scm of DIC and cdtoimg. (It needs to be careful not to fix the offset.)


Here are 3 pictures attached to compare .scm by DIC with 4012, with 716 and cdtoimg (with offset = Combined Offset: 6464 bytes, 1616 samples):
- DIC4012vsDIC716.PNG: DIC716 is good, DIC4012 is bad => diff of 96 bytes
- DIC4012vsCDTOIMG.PNG: cdtoimg is good, DIC4012 is bad => diff of 96 bytes
- DIC716vsCDTOIMG.PNG: cdtoimg is good, DIC716 is good => no difference

=> so cdtoimg with 4012 ODD is good and is the same as DIC dump with 716 ODD. And DIC dump with 4012 ODD is bad.

Do you need anything else ?

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sarami wrote:
Madroms wrote:

What do you think ?

716 is good, not 4012.

Ok, so I made more tests, all with the 4012 ODD. Here are the results:
- DIC: bad dump
- latest test DIC: bad dump
- Isobuster: good dump
- T...: good dump
- CD Manipulator: good dump
So DIC problem with 4012 ODD maybe ?

Difference could be seen in the picture attached: part of the EDC/ECC field of sector 97747, total of 96 bytes.


Do you need any other logs ?

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could you check http://forum.redump.org/topic/30953/ss- … orrection/ ?
I have 1 ecc/edc error on the data track (and no c2 error) when dumped with 4012, but not with 716a.

Logs for the 716a: GEX_US_716-logs.rar => 2 dumps
Logs for the 4012: GEX_US-logs.rar + GEX_US_4012BIS-logs.rar => 3 dumps with always the same error and the same crc (so the drive always read the same data)
Logs for the 4012 with latest DIC test built: GEX_US_DICtest20200825-logs.rar => same result
(link to logs on my sig)

Could this be a problem of the 4012 drive (firmware), DIC, disc ? Anything else ?

What do you think ?

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I have some japanese Video CD Karaoke by clarion. I think they are not CD-G discs, just VCD discs (has CDI, KARAOKE, MPEGAV and VCD dirs) like Sega Prologue ones. They are seen by DIC as DiscType: CD-ROM XA Disc. I think they are not useful for redump.
So what to do with them also ?

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sarami wrote:
Madroms wrote:

could you check the log for this disc ?

Also try to use subdump.

subdump added.

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sarami, could you check the log for this disc ?
http://forum.redump.org/topic/26845/pro … rihen-jpn/

- with desync so tracks with sub indexes created
- track 14 is reported as Audio when, I think, it must be mode 2 like all the other tracks (a movie .dat file points to the track 14 LBA)

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I made some tests with the enhanced CD.
I don't have the same errors as user7.

See logs: ENHANCED_CD-logs.rar

With 4012A drive:

DIC 20200203:
Uncomplete dump as it hangs.

The disc is clean, but a lot of c2 errors reported.
=================================================================================
[a lot of c2 errors before that]
...
Creating .scm (LBA)  22179/127337 LBA[022180, 0x056a4] Detected C2 error 8 bit
Creating .scm (LBA)  22484/127337 LBA[022485, 0x057d5] Detected C2 error 6 bit
Creating .scm (LBA)  23827/127337 LBA[023828, 0x05d14] Detected C2 error 12 bit
Creating .scm (LBA)  26172/127337 LBA[026173, 0x0663d] Detected C2 error 15 bit
Creating .scm (LBA)  30167/127337 End of readable sector
Sleep 20000 msec
 LBA[035710, 0x08b7e] Detected C2 error 328 bit
LBA[035711, 0x08b7f]: [F:ProcessReadCD][L:280]
        Opcode: 0xbe
        ScsiStatus: 0x02 = CHECK_CONDITION
        SenseData Key-Asc-Ascq: 06-29-00 = UNIT_ATTENTION - POWER ON, RESET, OR
BUS DEVICE RESET OCCURRED
Please wait for 40000 milliseconds until the device is returned
Creating .scm (LBA)  35711/127337
=================================================================================
And then it hangs forever.

It also hangs for some times on 7669/127337 (30 sec approx) and 7670/127337 (1-2 min), but continues, and no c2 error reported on these sectors.

DIC 20200209:
Complete dump but with too many c2 errors. Only 100 retries set, as it was a test to see if I will have the same error as user7.
I think most of them are not real errors, but I let you see if your disc will have the same patterns, sarami.

The disc is clean, but a lot of c2 errors reported.
=================================================================================
[a lot of c2 errors before that]
...
Creating .scm (LBA)  19009/127337 LBA[019010, 0x04a42] Detected C2 error 8 bit
Creating .scm (LBA)  19635/127337 LBA[019636, 0x04cb4] Detected C2 error 10 bit
Creating .scm (LBA)  19796/127337 LBA[019797, 0x04d55] Detected C2 error 7 bit
Creating .scm (LBA)  19996/127337 LBA[019997, 0x04e1d] Detected C2 error 8 bit
Creating .scm (LBA)  20978/127337 LBA[020979, 0x051f3] Detected C2 error 5 bit
Creating .scm (LBA)  22179/127337 LBA[022180, 0x056a4] Detected C2 error 12 bit
Creating .scm (LBA)  22798/127337 LBA[022799, 0x0590f] Detected C2 error 6 bit
Creating .scm (LBA)  23827/127337 LBA[023828, 0x05d14] Detected C2 error 12 bit
Creating .scm (LBA)  26172/127337 LBA[026173, 0x0663d] Detected C2 error 8 bit
Creating .scm (LBA)  26213/127337 LBA[026214, 0x06666] Detected C2 error 8 bit
Creating .scm (LBA)  31209/127337 Lead-out length of 1st session: 6750
Creating .scm (LBA)  31214/127337 End of readable sector
LBA[035711, 0x08b7f]: [F:ProcessReadCD][L:280]
        Opcode: 0xbe
        ScsiStatus: 0x02 = CHECK_CONDITION
        SenseData Key-Asc-Ascq: 06-29-00 = UNIT_ATTENTION - POWER ON, RESET, OR
BUS DEVICE RESET OCCURRED
Please wait for 40000 milliseconds until the device is returned
Creating .scm (LBA)  35859/127337 Pregap length of 1st track of 2nd session: 358
60
Creating .scm (LBA) 127337/127337
Need to reread sector:      1 rereading times:  100/ 100
bad all. need to reread more
=================================================================================
It hangs for some times at 31209 > 31214 with a lot of noise from the lens.
As you see, the "End of readable sector" comes at 31214 (with test version 20200209) when it comes at 30167 (with DIC 20200203)
No more c2 error after 35860.


It also hangs for some times on 7669/127337 (30 sec approx) and 7670/127337 (1-2 min), but continues, and no c2 error reported on these sectors.
[same behavior as DIC 20200203]

With 716SA:
I stopped the dump, it was a test to see if there are also a lot of c2 errors. I added the partial logs to the file, just in case.

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user7 wrote:

Here is the disc for sale in Japan: https://www.ebay.com/itm/362614965991

If tests are needed, I also have this disc.

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This is something I might try in the future, yes.

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Thee are some spots and some linear scratches from center to outer. But I think the c2 errors are also due to how the disc was (badly) polished by the previous owner ( so the laser may be not reflected correctly ?).

2 different plextor drives gave me approx the same amount of c2 errors (with no luck with reread). I was able to dump the disc with isobuster with a non plextor drive with only a few low errors in the ecc/edc fields (all that could be repaired with cdmage).
So, something to try in the future for this disc, with multiple drives.

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sarami wrote:

Why not get another one if it is possible? C2 errors are problem of the disc, not DIC. DIC (and other dumping tool) is not perfect for hard-damaged disc.

It is a very rare demo disc, that I never saw for more than 15 years collecting Sega Saturn stuff. So, there is very little chance to find another one for sale. It is not so hard-damaged, just a few scratches not on the good place sad
I will see if I can combine multiple ways to dump it.

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sarami wrote:

Try this.

DiscImageCreator.exe cd g ISO\TDDDEMO\TDDDEMO (1).bin 8 /c2 100 /s 2

It works: for the log if you want to check it for the /s 2 param: TDDwith_s2-logs.rar

but still some scratches do not let me dump it without c2 errors. The disc seems to have been already polished, but the scratches that are still there produce c2 errors. I will see later what to do.
But for now, /s 2 did the trick for the internal error.

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sarami wrote:
Madroms wrote:

what can be the cause for this error message when dumping a cd ?

See 1st page. http://forum.redump.org/topic/10483/discimagecreator/

See my sig to download the logs. There are:
TDDDEMO-logs.rar
TDDDEMO_4012TA-logs.rar

This is a US Saturn disc: Three Dirty Dwarves demo disc with scratches that make c2 errors.
ringcode: SATURN14004 P1H IFPI L238

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sarami, what can be the cause for this error message when dumping a cd ?

[L:1226] Internal error. Failed to analyze the subchannel. Track[02]/[09]

Scratches on cd, or something else ?

I got this for 1 cd, with 2 different drives.

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Is it possible to add an option / switch to let us use DIC on Plextor drives with older firmwares ?
So to bypass the error thrown currently: [ERROR] This drive isn't latest firmware. Please update.

I want to test older firmwares.

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I notice this today:
when dumping CD with DIC 20190708 115259,
the line "Creating .scm (LBA) xxx/YYY" do not have consistent YYY value (last sector).

For http://redump.org/disc/45731/ it reports 157995 [correct as the game has 157996 sectors, from 0 to 157995]

AppVersion
        x86, AnsiBuild, 20190708 115259
/c2 val2 is omitted. set [0]
E:\Redump\Release_ANSI\ISO\test\ doesn't exist, so create.
CurrentDirectory
        E:\Redump\Release_ANSI
WorkingPath
         Argument: ISO\test\test (1).bin
         FullPath: E:\Redump\Release_ANSI\ISO\test\test (1).bin
            Drive: E:
        Directory: \Redump\Release_ANSI\ISO\test\
         Filename: test (1)
        Extension: .bin
StartTime: 2019/09/18(Wed) 20:15:48
Set the drive speed: 1411KB/sec
This drive supports [OpCode: 0xd8, SubCode: 0]
This drive supports [OpCode: 0xd8, SubCode: 1]
This drive supports [OpCode: 0xd8, SubCode: 2]
This drive supports [OpCode: 0xd8, SubCode: 8]
Checking reading lead-in -> OK
Checking SubQ adr (Track)  1/ 1
Checking SubRtoW (Track)  1/ 1
Set OpCode: 0xd8, SubCode: 8(Raw)
LBA[-00001, 0xffffffff]: Q[4101000000000000017404a1]
Checking SubQ ctl (Track)  1/ 1
Creating .scm (LBA) 157995/157995
No C2 errors
Copying .scm to .img
Descrambling data sector of img (LBA) 157995/157995
Exec ""E:\Redump\Release_ANSI\EccEdc.exe" check "E:\Redump\Release_ANSI\ISO\test
\test (1).img""
FILE: E:\Redump\Release_ANSI\ISO\test\test (1).img
Checking sectors (LBA) 157995/157995
[NO ERROR] User data vs. ecc/edc match all
Creating bin, cue and ccd (Track)  1/ 1
Hashing: test (1).scm
Hashing: test (1).img
Hashing: test (1).bin
EndTime: 2019/09/18(Wed) 20:20:52

For http://redump.org/disc/5305/ it reports 205250 [incorrect as the game has 205250 sectors, and so the last sector that must be reported is 205249]
But, on lines "checking sectors (LBA) xxx/YYY" and "Descrambling data sector of img (LBA) xxx/YYY" it reports 205249 which is correct.

StartTime: 2019/09/18(Wed) 18:57:21
Set the drive speed: 1411KB/sec
This drive supports [OpCode: 0xd8, SubCode: 0]
This drive supports [OpCode: 0xd8, SubCode: 1]
This drive supports [OpCode: 0xd8, SubCode: 2]
This drive supports [OpCode: 0xd8, SubCode: 8]
Checking reading lead-out -> OK
Checking SubQ adr (Track)  1/ 1
Checking SubRtoW (Track)  1/ 1
Set OpCode: 0xd8, SubCode: 8(Raw)
LBA[-00001, 0xffffffff]: Q[4101000000000000017404a1]
Checking SubQ ctl (Track)  1/ 1
Creating .scm (LBA) 205250/205250
No C2 errors
Copying .scm to .img
Descrambling data sector of img (LBA) 205249/205249
Exec ""E:\Redump\Release_ANSI\EccEdc.exe" check "E:\Redump\Release_ANSI\ISO\JMFB
97\JMFB97 (1).img""
FILE: E:\Redump\Release_ANSI\ISO\JMFB97\JMFB97 (1).img
Checking sectors (LBA) 205249/205249
[NO ERROR] User data vs. ecc/edc match all
Creating bin, cue and ccd (Track)  1/ 1
Hashing: JMFB97 (1).scm
Hashing: JMFB97 (1).img
Hashing: JMFB97 (1).bin
EndTime: 2019/09/18(Wed) 19:04:06

Is it normal, or corrected in new version ?

No effect on the dump btw.


Edit:
another example:

StartTime: 2019/09/18(Wed) 19:44:45
Set the drive speed: 1411KB/sec
This drive supports [OpCode: 0xd8, SubCode: 0]
This drive supports [OpCode: 0xd8, SubCode: 1]
This drive supports [OpCode: 0xd8, SubCode: 2]
This drive supports [OpCode: 0xd8, SubCode: 8]
Checking reading lead-out -> OK
Checking SubQ adr (Track)  1/ 1
Checking SubRtoW (Track)  1/ 1
Set OpCode: 0xd8, SubCode: 8(Raw)
LBA[-00001, 0xffffffff]: Q[4101000000000000017404a1]
Checking SubQ ctl (Track)  1/ 1
Creating .scm (LBA) 256450/256450
No C2 errors
Copying .scm to .img
Descrambling data sector of img (LBA) 256449/256449
Exec ""E:\Redump\Release_ANSI\EccEdc.exe" check "E:\Redump\Release_ANSI\ISO\FZ-S
M0401(DEMO)\FZ-SM0401(DEMO) (1).img""
FILE: E:\Redump\Release_ANSI\ISO\FZ-SM0401(DEMO)\FZ-SM0401(DEMO) (1).img
Checking sectors (LBA) 256449/256449
[NO ERROR] User data vs. ecc/edc match all

I will test the latest build of DIC tomorrow.

+1
Same for French and Canadian French. I don't if this is already added to the site or if some US games have Canadian French language which could be different to their European releases with French.
Something to check.

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Nexy wrote:

716 and 760 (and others) just have a firmware bug, most safedisc will work fine but some will fail.

Does anyone tested if this firmware bug is found on every firmware versions ? Just a thought, as it is not clearly stated.