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2011-10-12 08:54:14

Are we just waiting for an upgraded version of this: http://www.cdtool.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/downloads.htm?

Has all the pieces... but no offset correction - but that can be done with another shifting tool right?

Rambling below:

It looks like this is becoming a tug of war between intent and execution. Are we going for preserving the authors typos and paper type, or are we just retyping the words he wrote to meet modern digital conventions? Why preserve mastering errors? However, I would hate to see data thrown out that may eventually be of use.

Read everything, refine and correct later! Given enough time, there will be some tool to shift/skew/add/subtract/merge/fix if we just go for a format that captures as much as possible.

2011-07-17 19:17:10

Better fire up my trusty portable SEM and get the real story!

Haha, actually, no joke, didn't someone try dumping a CD this way once?

2011-07-17 08:37:38

Yup, I've got a 760. I'll try anything.

Better to over-dump than under-dump!

2011-07-17 00:27:21

I'm waiting to rip my CD (PC game) collection. I'm mainly hung up by the issue of subs.

Should I:
1. Ignore them if there's no copy protection that uses them
2. Dump them with Alcohol or perfectrip
3. Wait for new dumping tools (just read about these recently: trurip, etc.)

Is there a way to check if there's something interesting at various "levels" of ECM, subs, etc? I mean, on "normal" discs this stuff is recreated... how do you tell if it is special? If I'm storing ECM, why not store subs as well? (only thing I can think of is some dev puts a funny "hello world" type thing on their disc.)

Mainly, I'm just looking for a green light to do just as your guides say, but I don't want to redo it later.

PS: I've seen mention of a "better" version of perfectrip (an earlier beta?), if true, can anyone link me?

Thanks guys - hope to contribute some more good ol' PC games.

2010-12-07 17:20:54

Gotcha, agreed.

EAC does match PR if the right mode is selected. I go for the one that agrees with the sector view (scrambled data = beginning of gap).

Sub dump... could you provide a link or explain how to go about solving these issues?

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EDIT:

Nevermind. Looks like I just do the ccd mode, take the sub and load it into that analyzer program, then spit out a new cue and check for differences.

2010-12-07 16:19:35

So is there any point to using PerfectRip?

Also, for EAC, which method for pregap detection do we trust? Sometimes A will give me 2:00 and B will give me 1:74.

2010-12-07 15:03:19

I just dumped it at 4x and selected "sector" rather than "burst" for read mode. Seemed to solve the issue. No scrambled data at the beginning of track 2 and it is now named *.pcm. Seemed to fix it. But it did throw a bunch of reading errors (Unknown sense key code combination). I will have to truncate some of the log because it is too long!

px_d8 command on that scrambled first sector gave "Error searching for sync!"

Log:

©2006   H & H   s o f t w e r x.
PerfectRip v1.00 b34 log. 12/7/2010 7:44:20 AM

Type    . Time        . Description
------- + ----------- + -----------
Info    | 7:44:20 AM | Current device: PLEXTOR DVDR   PX-760A  1.07
Info    | 7:44:20 AM | Reported CD read speed (kbytes/s): 706(4x)
Info    | 7:44:20 AM | Current read error recovery setting: mode: 00h retry count: 10
Info    | 7:44:20 AM | Setting of read error recovery to normal with 3 retries was successful.
Info    | 7:44:20 AM | Detecting subcode/C2 pointers priority..
Info    | 7:44:20 AM | Detecting and correcting subchannel offset..
Info    | 7:44:20 AM | Subcode/C2 priority is: main+C2+sub.
Info    | 7:44:20 AM | Subchannel sector offset: 0
Info    | 7:44:20 AM | Detection finished.
Info    | 7:44:20 AM | Main channel read offset correction: -32 bytes (-8 samples)
Info    | 7:44:20 AM | Main channel write offset correction: 0 bytes (0 samples)
Info    | 7:44:20 AM | Subchannel offset correction: 0 sectors
Info    | 7:44:20 AM | C2 error pointers offset correction: -32 bits
Warning | 7:44:20 AM | CD-TEXT not found or unsupported
Info    | 7:44:20 AM | Reading Media Catalog Number...
Info    | 7:44:21 AM | MCN not encoded
Info    | 7:44:21 AM | Reading International Standard Recording Code...
Info    | 7:44:22 AM | ISRC(track 1) not encoded
Info    | 7:44:22 AM | ISRC(track 2) not encoded
Info    | 7:44:23 AM | ISRC(track 3) not encoded
Info    | 7:44:24 AM | ISRC(track 4) not encoded
Info    | 7:44:25 AM | ISRC(track 5) not encoded
Info    | 7:44:25 AM | ISRC(track 6) not encoded
Info    | 7:44:26 AM | ISRC(track 7) not encoded
Info    | 7:44:27 AM | ISRC(track 8) not encoded
Info    | 7:44:28 AM | ISRC(track 9) not encoded
Info    | 7:44:29 AM | ISRC(track 10) not encoded
Info    | 7:44:29 AM | Trk 01: 00:00.00 to 20:57.34 (000000 to 094309), duration: 20:57.35 (094310)
Info    | 7:44:30 AM | Trk 01 format type is CD-ROM mode 1
Error   | 7:50:12 AM | Error reading sector: 094086 (20:54.36)
Error   | 7:50:12 AM | Sense hex (key/ASC/ASCQ): 03/02/81 - Unknown sense key code combination
Error   | 7:50:12 AM | Error reading sector (ignoring): 094086 (20:54.36)
Error   | 7:50:12 AM | Sense hex (key/ASC/ASCQ): 03/02/81 - Unknown sense key code combination
[b]Error continues for all sectors between these two (as shown by the end replacement)[/b]
Error   | 7:57:48 AM | Error reading sector: 094261 (20:56.61)
Error   | 7:57:48 AM | Sense hex (key/ASC/ASCQ): 03/02/82 - Unknown sense key code combination
Error   | 7:57:48 AM | Error reading sector (ignoring): 094261 (20:56.61)
Error   | 7:57:48 AM | Sense hex (key/ASC/ASCQ): 03/02/82 - Unknown sense key code combination
Info    | 7:57:52 AM | FLAGS DATA
Info    | 7:57:52 AM | Current copyright flag !DCP kept
Info    | 7:57:52 AM | Trk 02: 20:57.35 to 24:37.05 (094310 to 110780), duration: 03:39.46 (016471)
Info    | 7:57:52 AM | Trk 02 format type is CDDA
Info    | 7:57:52 AM | Index found: 010201000000002059354519
Info    | 7:58:54 AM | Pause found: 01030000017300243707BDE9
Info    | 7:58:55 AM | Current copyright flag !DCP kept
Info    | 7:58:55 AM | Trk 03: 24:37.06 to 28:19.51 (110781 to 127476), duration: 03:42.46 (016696)
Info    | 7:58:55 AM | Trk 03 format type is CDDA
Info    | 7:58:55 AM | Index found: 010301000000002439067FE0
Info    | 7:59:56 AM | Pause found: 0104000001730028195346BB
Info    | 7:59:56 AM | Current copyright flag !DCP kept
Info    | 7:59:56 AM | Trk 04: 28:19.52 to 32:31.32 (127477 to 146357), duration: 04:11.56 (018881)
Info    | 7:59:56 AM | Trk 04 format type is CDDA
Info    | 7:59:56 AM | Index found: 010401000000002821522B81
Info    | 8:01:02 AM | Pause found: 01050000017300323134BA34
Info    | 8:01:03 AM | Current copyright flag !DCP kept
Info    | 8:01:03 AM | Trk 05: 32:31.33 to 36:58.11 (146358 to 166361), duration: 04:26.54 (020004)
Info    | 8:01:03 AM | Trk 05 format type is CDDA
Info    | 8:01:03 AM | Index found: 010501000000003233335D96
Info    | 8:02:14 AM | Pause found: 01060000017300365813AE87
Info    | 8:02:15 AM | Current copyright flag !DCP kept
Info    | 8:02:15 AM | Trk 06: 36:58.12 to 40:30.07 (166362 to 182257), duration: 03:31.71 (015896)
Info    | 8:02:15 AM | Trk 06 format type is CDDA
Info    | 8:02:15 AM | Index found: 01060100000000370012FFA7
Info    | 8:03:14 AM | Pause found: 010700000173004030091EF4
Info    | 8:03:15 AM | Current copyright flag !DCP kept
Info    | 8:03:15 AM | Trk 07: 40:30.08 to 44:02.27 (182258 to 198177), duration: 03:32.20 (015920)
Info    | 8:03:15 AM | Trk 07 format type is CDDA
Info    | 8:03:15 AM | Index found: 010701000000004032089990
Info    | 8:04:13 AM | Pause found: 010800000173004402291DF5
Info    | 8:04:13 AM | Current copyright flag !DCP kept
Info    | 8:04:13 AM | Trk 08: 44:02.28 to 47:34.69 (198178 to 214119), duration: 03:32.42 (015942)
Info    | 8:04:13 AM | Trk 08 format type is CDDA
Info    | 8:04:13 AM | Index found: 010801000000004404285655
Info    | 8:05:11 AM | Pause found: 01090000017300473471DB48
Info    | 8:05:12 AM | Current copyright flag !DCP kept
Info    | 8:05:12 AM | Trk 09: 47:34.70 to 52:22.11 (214120 to 235661), duration: 04:47.17 (021542)
Info    | 8:05:12 AM | Trk 09 format type is CDDA
Info    | 8:05:12 AM | Index found: 010901000000004736705C2C
Info    | 8:06:26 AM | Pause found: 0110000001730052221307C8
Info    | 8:06:27 AM | Current copyright flag !DCP kept
Info    | 8:06:27 AM | Trk 10: 52:22.12 to 55:47.49 (235662 to 251074), duration: 03:25.38 (015413)
Info    | 8:06:27 AM | Trk 10 format type is CDDA
Info    | 8:06:27 AM | Index found: 011001000000005224124C68
Info    | 8:08:14 AM | Current copyright flag !DCP kept
Info    | 8:08:14 AM | OL: 55:47.50 to 55:47.50 (251075 to 251075), duration: 00:00.01 (000001)
Info    | 8:08:14 AM | Setting back of saved read error recovery parameters was successful.
Info    | 8:08:15 AM | Total corrupt Q subcode blocks: 329
Info    | 8:08:15 AM | Trk 01 corrupt symbols (C2 pointers): 0
Info    | 8:08:15 AM | Trk 02 corrupt symbols (C2 pointers): 0
Info    | 8:08:15 AM | Trk 03 corrupt symbols (C2 pointers): 0
Info    | 8:08:15 AM | Trk 04 corrupt symbols (C2 pointers): 0
Info    | 8:08:15 AM | Trk 05 corrupt symbols (C2 pointers): 0
Info    | 8:08:15 AM | Trk 06 corrupt symbols (C2 pointers): 0
Info    | 8:08:15 AM | Trk 07 corrupt symbols (C2 pointers): 0
Info    | 8:08:15 AM | Trk 08 corrupt symbols (C2 pointers): 0
Info    | 8:08:15 AM | Trk 09 corrupt symbols (C2 pointers): 0
Info    | 8:08:15 AM | Trk 10 corrupt symbols (C2 pointers): 0
Info    | 8:08:15 AM | Total corrupt symbols (C2 pointers): 0
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094086 (20:54.36)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094087 (20:54.37)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094088 (20:54.38)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094089 (20:54.39)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094090 (20:54.40)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094091 (20:54.41)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094092 (20:54.42)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094093 (20:54.43)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094094 (20:54.44)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094095 (20:54.45)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094096 (20:54.46)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094097 (20:54.47)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094098 (20:54.48)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094099 (20:54.49)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094100 (20:54.50)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094101 (20:54.51)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094102 (20:54.52)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094103 (20:54.53)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094104 (20:54.54)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094105 (20:54.55)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094106 (20:54.56)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094107 (20:54.57)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094108 (20:54.58)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094109 (20:54.59)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094110 (20:54.60)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094111 (20:54.61)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094112 (20:54.62)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094113 (20:54.63)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094114 (20:54.64)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094115 (20:54.65)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094116 (20:54.66)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094117 (20:54.67)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094118 (20:54.68)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094119 (20:54.69)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094120 (20:54.70)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094121 (20:54.71)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094122 (20:54.72)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094123 (20:54.73)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094124 (20:54.74)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094125 (20:55.00)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094126 (20:55.01)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094127 (20:55.02)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094128 (20:55.03)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094129 (20:55.04)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094130 (20:55.05)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094131 (20:55.06)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094132 (20:55.07)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094133 (20:55.08)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094134 (20:55.09)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094135 (20:55.10)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094136 (20:55.11)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094137 (20:55.12)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094138 (20:55.13)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094139 (20:55.14)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094140 (20:55.15)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094141 (20:55.16)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094142 (20:55.17)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094143 (20:55.18)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094144 (20:55.19)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094145 (20:55.20)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094146 (20:55.21)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094147 (20:55.22)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094148 (20:55.23)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094149 (20:55.24)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094150 (20:55.25)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094151 (20:55.26)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094152 (20:55.27)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094153 (20:55.28)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094154 (20:55.29)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094155 (20:55.30)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094156 (20:55.31)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094157 (20:55.32)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094158 (20:55.33)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094159 (20:55.34)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094160 (20:55.35)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094161 (20:55.36)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094162 (20:55.37)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094163 (20:55.38)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094164 (20:55.39)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094165 (20:55.40)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094166 (20:55.41)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094167 (20:55.42)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094168 (20:55.43)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094169 (20:55.44)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094170 (20:55.45)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094171 (20:55.46)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094172 (20:55.47)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094173 (20:55.48)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094174 (20:55.49)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094175 (20:55.50)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094176 (20:55.51)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094177 (20:55.52)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094178 (20:55.53)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094179 (20:55.54)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094180 (20:55.55)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094181 (20:55.56)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094182 (20:55.57)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094183 (20:55.58)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094184 (20:55.59)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094185 (20:55.60)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094186 (20:55.61)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094187 (20:55.62)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094188 (20:55.63)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094189 (20:55.64)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094190 (20:55.65)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094191 (20:55.66)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094192 (20:55.67)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094193 (20:55.68)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094194 (20:55.69)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094195 (20:55.70)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094196 (20:55.71)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094197 (20:55.72)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094198 (20:55.73)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094199 (20:55.74)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094200 (20:56.00)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094201 (20:56.01)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094202 (20:56.02)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094203 (20:56.03)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094204 (20:56.04)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094205 (20:56.05)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094206 (20:56.06)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094207 (20:56.07)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094208 (20:56.08)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094209 (20:56.09)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094210 (20:56.10)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094211 (20:56.11)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094212 (20:56.12)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094213 (20:56.13)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094214 (20:56.14)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094215 (20:56.15)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094216 (20:56.16)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094217 (20:56.17)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094218 (20:56.18)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094219 (20:56.19)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094220 (20:56.20)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094221 (20:56.21)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094222 (20:56.22)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094223 (20:56.23)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094224 (20:56.24)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094225 (20:56.25)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094226 (20:56.26)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094227 (20:56.27)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094228 (20:56.28)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094229 (20:56.29)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094230 (20:56.30)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094231 (20:56.31)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094232 (20:56.32)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094233 (20:56.33)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094234 (20:56.34)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094235 (20:56.35)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094236 (20:56.36)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094237 (20:56.37)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094238 (20:56.38)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094239 (20:56.39)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094240 (20:56.40)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094241 (20:56.41)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094242 (20:56.42)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094243 (20:56.43)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094244 (20:56.44)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094245 (20:56.45)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094246 (20:56.46)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094247 (20:56.47)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094248 (20:56.48)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094249 (20:56.49)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094250 (20:56.50)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094251 (20:56.51)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094252 (20:56.52)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094253 (20:56.53)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094254 (20:56.54)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094255 (20:56.55)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094256 (20:56.56)
Warning | 8:08:15 AM | Replaced sector: 094257 (20:56.57)
Warning | 8:08:16 AM | Replaced sector: 094258 (20:56.58)
Warning | 8:08:16 AM | Replaced sector: 094259 (20:56.59)
Warning | 8:08:16 AM | Replaced sector: 094260 (20:56.60)
Warning | 8:08:16 AM | Replaced sector: 094261 (20:56.61)
Info    | 8:08:16 AM | Reading process completed successfully.

2010-12-07 04:54:40

Background:

Fancy new PX-760A with 1.07 firmware
Dumping Command and Conquer Sole Survivor
px_d8 command gives +8 combined offset (sample)
PerfectRip v1.00b34
PerfectRip with settings given in Sega Saturn guide http://forum.redump.org/topic/4495/sega … -28112010/

PerfectRip is returning track 2 (audio) as a *.img file even though the cue calls for *.pcm and the offest doesn't seem to be working (set -8). The beginning of track 2 still has the same scrambled data shown by IsoBuster.

Should I just stick with the tried and true EAC+IsoBuster? Maybe this is just another reason to go back to an earlier beta. Link please?

Log:

©2006   H & H   s o f t w e r x.
PerfectRip v1.00 b34 log. 12/6/2010 10:28:44 PM

Type    . Time        . Description
------- + ----------- + -----------
Info    | 10:28:44 PM | Current device: PLEXTOR DVDR   PX-760A  1.07
Info    | 10:28:44 PM | Reported CD read speed (kbytes/s): 7056(40x)
Info    | 10:28:44 PM | Current read error recovery setting: mode: 21h retry count: 3
Info    | 10:28:44 PM | Setting of read error recovery to normal with 3 retries was successful.
Info    | 10:28:44 PM | Detecting subcode/C2 pointers priority..
Info    | 10:28:44 PM | Detecting and correcting subchannel offset..
Info    | 10:28:46 PM | Subcode/C2 priority is: main+C2+sub.
Info    | 10:28:46 PM | Subchannel sector offset: 0
Info    | 10:28:46 PM | Detection finished.
Info    | 10:28:46 PM | Main channel read offset correction: -32 bytes (-8 samples)
Info    | 10:28:46 PM | Main channel write offset correction: 0 bytes (0 samples)
Info    | 10:28:46 PM | Subchannel offset correction: 0 sectors
Info    | 10:28:46 PM | C2 error pointers offset correction: -32 bits
Warning | 10:28:46 PM | CD-TEXT not found or unsupported
Info    | 10:28:46 PM | Reading Media Catalog Number...
Info    | 10:28:48 PM | MCN not encoded
Info    | 10:28:48 PM | Reading International Standard Recording Code...
Info    | 10:28:49 PM | ISRC(track 1) not encoded
Info    | 10:28:50 PM | ISRC(track 2) not encoded
Info    | 10:28:50 PM | ISRC(track 3) not encoded
Info    | 10:28:51 PM | ISRC(track 4) not encoded
Info    | 10:28:52 PM | ISRC(track 5) not encoded
Info    | 10:28:53 PM | ISRC(track 6) not encoded
Info    | 10:28:53 PM | ISRC(track 7) not encoded
Info    | 10:28:54 PM | ISRC(track 8) not encoded
Info    | 10:28:55 PM | ISRC(track 9) not encoded
Info    | 10:28:56 PM | ISRC(track 10) not encoded
Info    | 10:28:56 PM | Trk 01: 00:00.00 to 20:57.34 (000000 to 094309), duration: 20:57.35 (094310)
Info    | 10:28:56 PM | Trk 01 format type is CD-ROM mode 1
Error   | 10:30:20 PM | Error while burst reading sectors: 094071 to 094093 (20:54.21 to 20:54.43)
Info    | 10:30:20 PM | Retrying with 1 sector reads from: 094071 (20:54.21)
Info    | 10:30:21 PM | Pause found: 410200000273002056362899
Info    | 10:30:21 PM | 1 sector reads were ok, setting back to burst reading from: 094094 (20:54.44)
Info    | 10:30:21 PM | FLAGS DATA
Info    | 10:30:21 PM | Current copyright flag !DCP kept
Info    | 10:30:21 PM | Trk 02: 20:57.35 to 24:37.05 (094310 to 110780), duration: 03:39.46 (016471)
Info    | 10:30:21 PM | Trk 02 format type is CDDA
Info    | 10:30:21 PM | Index found: 010201000000002059354519
Info    | 10:30:33 PM | Pause found: 01030000017300243707BDE9
Info    | 10:30:33 PM | Current copyright flag !DCP kept
Info    | 10:30:33 PM | Trk 03: 24:37.06 to 28:19.51 (110781 to 127476), duration: 03:42.46 (016696)
Info    | 10:30:33 PM | Trk 03 format type is CDDA
Info    | 10:30:33 PM | Index found: 010301000000002439067FE0
Info    | 10:30:44 PM | Pause found: 0104000001730028195346BB
Info    | 10:30:44 PM | Current copyright flag !DCP kept
Info    | 10:30:44 PM | Trk 04: 28:19.52 to 32:31.32 (127477 to 146357), duration: 04:11.56 (018881)
Info    | 10:30:44 PM | Trk 04 format type is CDDA
Info    | 10:30:44 PM | Index found: 010401000000002821522B81
Info    | 10:30:55 PM | Pause found: 01050000017300323134BA34
Info    | 10:30:55 PM | Current copyright flag !DCP kept
Info    | 10:30:55 PM | Trk 05: 32:31.33 to 36:58.11 (146358 to 166361), duration: 04:26.54 (020004)
Info    | 10:30:55 PM | Trk 05 format type is CDDA
Info    | 10:30:55 PM | Index found: 010501000000003233335D96
Info    | 10:31:07 PM | Pause found: 01060000017300365813AE87
Info    | 10:31:07 PM | Current copyright flag !DCP kept
Info    | 10:31:07 PM | Trk 06: 36:58.12 to 40:30.07 (166362 to 182257), duration: 03:31.71 (015896)
Info    | 10:31:07 PM | Trk 06 format type is CDDA
Info    | 10:31:07 PM | Index found: 01060100000000370012FFA7
Info    | 10:31:16 PM | Pause found: 010700000173004030091EF4
Info    | 10:31:16 PM | Current copyright flag !DCP kept
Info    | 10:31:16 PM | Trk 07: 40:30.08 to 44:02.27 (182258 to 198177), duration: 03:32.20 (015920)
Info    | 10:31:16 PM | Trk 07 format type is CDDA
Info    | 10:31:16 PM | Index found: 010701000000004032089990
Info    | 10:31:25 PM | Pause found: 010800000173004402291DF5
Info    | 10:31:25 PM | Current copyright flag !DCP kept
Info    | 10:31:25 PM | Trk 08: 44:02.28 to 47:34.69 (198178 to 214119), duration: 03:32.42 (015942)
Info    | 10:31:25 PM | Trk 08 format type is CDDA
Info    | 10:31:25 PM | Index found: 010801000000004404285655
Info    | 10:31:34 PM | Pause found: 01090000017300473471DB48
Info    | 10:31:34 PM | Current copyright flag !DCP kept
Info    | 10:31:34 PM | Trk 09: 47:34.70 to 52:22.11 (214120 to 235661), duration: 04:47.17 (021542)
Info    | 10:31:34 PM | Trk 09 format type is CDDA
Info    | 10:31:34 PM | Index found: 010901000000004736705C2C
Info    | 10:31:44 PM | Pause found: 0110000001730052221307C8
Info    | 10:31:44 PM | Current copyright flag !DCP kept
Info    | 10:31:44 PM | Trk 10: 52:22.12 to 55:47.49 (235662 to 251074), duration: 03:25.38 (015413)
Info    | 10:31:44 PM | Trk 10 format type is CDDA
Info    | 10:31:44 PM | Index found: 011001000000005224124C68
Info    | 10:31:53 PM | Current copyright flag !DCP kept
Info    | 10:31:53 PM | OL: 55:47.50 to 55:47.50 (251075 to 251075), duration: 00:00.01 (000001)
Info    | 10:31:53 PM | Setting back of saved read error recovery parameters was successful.
Info    | 10:31:53 PM | Total corrupt Q subcode blocks: 227
Info    | 10:31:53 PM | Trk 01 corrupt symbols (C2 pointers): 0
Info    | 10:31:53 PM | Trk 02 corrupt symbols (C2 pointers): 0
Info    | 10:31:53 PM | Trk 03 corrupt symbols (C2 pointers): 0
Info    | 10:31:53 PM | Trk 04 corrupt symbols (C2 pointers): 0
Info    | 10:31:53 PM | Trk 05 corrupt symbols (C2 pointers): 0
Info    | 10:31:53 PM | Trk 06 corrupt symbols (C2 pointers): 0
Info    | 10:31:53 PM | Trk 07 corrupt symbols (C2 pointers): 0
Info    | 10:31:53 PM | Trk 08 corrupt symbols (C2 pointers): 0
Info    | 10:31:53 PM | Trk 09 corrupt symbols (C2 pointers): 0
Info    | 10:31:53 PM | Trk 10 corrupt symbols (C2 pointers): 0
Info    | 10:31:53 PM | Total corrupt symbols (C2 pointers): 0
Info    | 10:31:53 PM | Reading process completed successfully.

2009-12-21 17:01:04

Seems the closed nature of MDS will kill it (didn't know ccd was readable! cool!).

My biggest concern was that CUE was not up to the task of perfectly recreating the original structure of the disk and that MDS somehow did (mainly because of my inability in the past to dump audio cds with data tracks, but seems you guys have figured it out!).

I have a large mds/mdf library of my games, and didn't want to convert to bin/cue only to find out I thew away some "needed" information.

2009-12-21 07:15:12

I had a few technical questions about these two descriptor files.

I understand cue is to tag and break up a bin files into the right components/sections on a CD. MDS does the same.

However, doesn't CUE have some limitations? Aren't there certain scenarios or weird non-standard data/audio arrangements that it can't handle?

As far as I know MDS can tackle anything (all that extra protection junk as well). The only thing holding back the MDF/MDS format is that offset and audio integrity cannot be verified. Also, is MDS a closed format or not?

I'm thinking that if we could solve the offset issue, this combination would be the silver bullet. One file for all the raw data/audio one file to describe it. Though this prevents fancier storage techniques of selectively compressing the audio... but then you don't have much usability in that situation (HDD space is cheap anyways!)

So what if we petition Alcohol 120% developers to include offset correction (you'd have to determine it on your own)? Then we have ONE easy step (once configured) to dump a game. Yes, you'd have to verify it, so do it 2x, and try another reader. But then that is the point of an online database to compare to.

Maybe we can put together a fund to encourage the developers. I wouldn't mind giving a few bucks to have Alcohol take care of all my imaging needs (especially those weird mixed-data-audio-hybrid music CDs that can't be exactly reproduced using EAC).

Just an idea!

2009-12-21 06:59:08

I don't know how big of an issue data falsification is, but maybe some info should be hidden from view (such as the inner ring data). That way if someone wants to redump they have to provide this information to prove they have the physical disk and are not just BSing. Dunno why anyone would waste their own time, but just an idea.

2007-12-11 00:36:53

<EDIT TO REMOVE REDUNDANCY> Thank you for the info! To be more specific GTA: Vice city stories [ULUS-10160] has sectors 828125-828127 zeroed out (this is viewing smallpad.dat, I don't know where to find the 828128th sector) when using DAX Dumper. Using Filer, all the sectors are filled with data (and the 828127th is about 1/4 full of data). Hmmm, so it is a waiting game for a new dumper?

BAH! And on a disappointing side note, UMDGen does not "losslessly" (if i can say that) compress ISO to CSO. If you compress, then uncompress the file, it yields different results... could just be a change in some part of the ISO header or something I have no idea about. Don't know if it matters, but I find it annoying . Anyone know of a program to compress and decompress without altering the original dump?

UPDATE! One problem solved... not the most important one tho. One can use ISO Compressor by Winnydows. I have tried one image and it is the same when you compress then uncompress it.

2007-12-10 17:19:36

I was also wondering about the best way to dump. I have tried two different methods: DAX Dumper and PSP Filer 4.5. This is found in the readme for PSP Filer:
<UMD ripping tips>
Though the reason is not clear now, the last 1-3 record of UMD cannot be read from filesystem. So, doing ripping operation, the iso file is 2k-6k (1record = 2kbytes) smaller than it should be. Since version 3.9, Filer try to fill those "lost tail records" by following sequence:

1. Filer rips as large as possible.
2. Filer checks expected size by peeking ISO file, and if it is larger than ripped size, create a differential size data which is filled with 0.
3. Filer searches ISO file structure, and if there are files which uses "lost tail records", copy those data into right place of the differential data.
4. Filer appends the differential data to the ripped ISO file.

It seems to work fine now. Give me reports if the feature does not work well - to fix it.

I then checked the ISOs (using UMD Gen's sector viewer) from both programs and discovered that PSP Filer did have a few extra sectors of data at the end of the file that were not zeroed out (DAX Dumper zeroed out the last few sectors). I am a novice at this business but figured I'd let you guys know. A few games might not matter (Lumines Puzzle Fusion is identical both ways), but for some it does (GTA Vice city stories). Maybe someone can also verify this and make sure I'm not just making stuff up .

And I see someone else was referring to this above and I'm sorry if I am repeating something (can't read Russian).

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