Why are verifications checked manually?

The important part for verifications isn't the data submitted by the dumper, but the provided logs, so the mod could see, if the game was dumped properly to avoid the case when the first dump was taken incorrectly and the "confirmation" was done the similar way.

DIC logs are not really needed for certain types of discs like console DVD5 or unprotected single-track CDs.

The way things work may not make complete sense but that's because the submission system wasnt designed for the current dumping/ver. rules and it's not gonna change.

Forum posts are better anyway cause you get more scrutiny and can attach more data/notes (and logs) than a form would allow. Theoretically it produces better quality ringcodes and other metadata too. The downside is you may have to wait a few months/years for a mod to get around to processing them. Or they won't touch it for some reason and it stays there forever and you don't know why... oh well.

For anything with CDDA and/or protections, otherwise, such "verifications" shouldn't have the green status.

Well, adding matching verifications is a rather boring task, if no new info is given (like, missing ringcodes for PSX discs or cuesheet corrections).

^^^  You think a few years is bad? (Well it kinda is but) SPS literally has unprocessed dumps from over a decade. now THAT'S a stagnant project!

So please don't let the frustration get to you, redump deserves some constructive criticism but we still have to accept that the methods are not likely to change and they will never add new mods (nitpicker's corner: outside of an established pool of people that come and go) so the bottlenecks and backlogs are just something we have to live with.

redump ain't perfect but they're still 10,000x more productive than SPS and infinitely more transparent than wrongrip.

I think it's o.k. to nudge them a little bit from time to time like we're doing right now as long as you can keep from getting frustrated if nothing changes.

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RE: Your 300+ verifications, try making them EXCITING so they'll get processed fast! For dvds I think the best you can do to make them less boring is post pics/scans especially closeups of the ringcodez. For ps2 cd games submitting subdump logs will get the cuesheet marked green... excitement factor 1000!

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I agree on this, I dumped many games but I never bothered posting verifications unless I had something important to add like ringcodes or different versions.

But when I wrote that last bit, I wasn't actually thinking about verifications but rather those 2 year old "new" dumps with 0 replies on the last few pages like

http://forum.redump.org/topic/14694/ibm … australia/
http://forum.redump.org/topic/14633/wii … rd-france/
http://forum.redump.org/topic/14064/ibm … on-v11425/
http://forum.redump.org/topic/14062/ibm … -new-disc/
http://forum.redump.org/topic/13965/ibm … bmissions/

Those are just a sample of the ones with 0 replies. They may be crap dumps but without an explanation who is to know? My biggest personal gripe isn't with the database software or slowness but the lack of feedback / education / training. I think that's what this old friend was getting at. I guess it doesn't matter any more now with new acct creation ended.

nitpicker's corner: Some of those dumps may not be "new" any more now that 2 years have passed. It's been so long a few have turned into verifications

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ps egen wanna know how many active "mods" SPS has? 1.25

I agree that there should be a verification form just like there is a new disc form.
I think the problem is that there's no one to code that among the mods/admins or, if there is, they just don't have the time.

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I used to be this way too but I've mellowed out a bit. It might seem like a big deal at this time but a few months / years from now and you too will be comfortably numb. And enough time will have passed for your verifications to get approved too, so win/win? (Granted a forms update would also be win/win but that could be years down the road too, if ever.)

Withholding dumps to try and force them to change their process / software is not a good strategy imho. iRobot is a nice guy, no need to indirectly rage at him and make veiled threats!

I don't see any pending verification threads by you so this is all hypothetical talk any way. Try my subdump suggestion. They might be like "holy shit! green cue files! let's verify all the dumps!"

Oh, wait, I think I get it, this isn't really about your verifications getting approved in a timely manner so much as you wanting to improve the process for everyone, and you're using your discs as leverage right? In that case it's really up to iRobot and further arguing about hypotheticals with dumpers in a forum thread is just going to waste your time. That being the case I'll just be over here by the Wall not aggravating you further.

Which one's Pink?

What are you talking about? I'm not submitting dumps because I simply see no reason to go through all the effort of formatting 300+ of them into posts with bold and color markups when the posts will sit there and never get processed. Why do literally days' worth of work that will never see the light of day? It's ridiculous, there's absolutely zero incentive for me to go through all that work. And you're saying that if I triple my personal workload and do a bunch of scans and crap that will give the mods even MORE busywork to process per dump, THEN they will actually want to process the dumps? Not only does that make no sense at all, I didn't know it was my job to make the mods/admins interested in their own project, but I think I'll pass.

I appreciate that you want to look good by defending the mods/admins, but you're defending complacency with a broken system. It doesn't make you look good. There's no onus on you to say "I'm okay with the broken-ass way the project is right now", it's fine if you take a step back, look at it, and go "yeah, wow, this is ridiculous, virtually nothing ever gets done around here." Some people may say you're "complaining", others realize you're just pointing out the truth. But if you think you have some high ground to take and you want to tell me to put more work in so that not only will 300 verification posts will sit for years, but hours worth of scans along with them, then go ahead and make yourself look "good", but I have to tell you, it's not working; you don't look good doing it.

I don't know why you guys are rejecting the simple fact that this can be improved. It's like no one wants to step on anyone's toes and point out that the way things are being done isn't working, but it's not working. HUNDREDS of verifications, if not thousands, sit around endlessly. Why do we think it's chic to say "yeah you'll get used to it" rather than say "hey here's a legitimate idea to fix it"? Lame.

EDIT: By the way, this isn't about anyone being a "nice guy" or otherwise. iR0b0t is a perfectly fine fellow. F1ReB4LL is a perfectly fine fellow. Shout out to all the mods I missed too. I have nothing against you as individuals who have conducted themselves in whatever fashion around others on a message board; you've been courteous enough, and that's all well and good. This just isn't about person A or B being "nice", it's about getting something gosh-darn done around here. We ALL know that this system sucks. Come on, who around here doesn't know that? Show of hands right now. I don't mean this as any kind of attack on anybody and if it's taken that way, then that's a shame and you're missing the point, which is to get this site moving into the future.

I'm not making "threats" or whatever other crap you can call it, I'm giving you a simple truth: given the way the system works right now, there is no reason for me to go through literal DAYS of work on my personal time, which is not endless, to submit a bunch of stuff that could possibly NEVER be processed. Not "processed in three months" or "processed in two years", NEVER PROCESSED. It's completely possible and we all know it. How is it then worth anyone's time to submit anything other than a new disc here? This is all I'm saying. I want submissions to be processed, and not to make myself feel good, or to make blahblah person feel good, to contribute to Redump and get this great site rolling. Hasn't it been long enough that we all complain and nothing gets done? Let's change something, man.

Heh, sorry, I actually missed your post entirely, so none of that was directed towards you. "You guys" was poor general phrasing for anyone that is rejecting the ideas.

I see what you're saying, definitely. Even if the original people are gone though, it doesn't preclude the possibility of somebody on the current staff being able to code some new stuff for the website. Neither of us know anything regarding that, but it would surprise me a little that a website would be maintained without anyone on the staff with some coding knowledge.

Thanks for the responses, Fireball. I didn't realize the situation was like this.

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I'm not going to bother reading the other posts cause I'm done with this thread- too much scarey quotes but here's a different idea I thought up.

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Why don't one of you geeks make a little dotnet program that has forms needed for verification and saves the data you entered into a xml database.

Then you could zip up the database with any logs / scans and post it. The mods could then use the same program to review the data you entered.

It's not as good as full redump integration but let's be realistic here. And advanced versions could eventually be better integrated by scraping redump or open a link to a mod edit page.

Not a programmer? If everyone with a zillion verifications pitched in the price of a few games you could pay someone around here to do it at a cut rate.

...Or you can keep trying to threat^H^H^H^H^H^H cajole iRobot / the mods into doing it for free and on your schedule.

And he was the only coder? Redump has not a single coder now? Well, then, it's no wonder we're in so much trouble here. Alright, well, I guess nevermind this then, at least until you get a new coder.

EDIT: Oh, and then iR0b0t ninja'd me

That SUCKS man. I'm sorry to hear that. But I'm so glad to know that somebody has considered the verification form! I wish I knew anything about website/net coding. I know some C++, some Java, and a hell of a lot of AHK (lol), but I wouldn't know what I'm doing around these systems and it's moot because I'm new here and rightly wouldn't be considered for the position. But thanks for your responses you guys, I just love this website and want to see it make progress.

I'll seriously mull a form template over. Probably harder to come up with one than I think, but if we got one up even for one or two consoles it would be a huge improvement. I think nobody should bother with PC, since it's a gigantic mess, but at least some of the older PlayStation consoles should be possible.

I didn't really know what Dremora was going to do. I probably just had a similar thought, because i didn't like the disc based structure, it does not preserve the real release contents, everything is more or less mixed into a single entry right now.

ALL binary variations would simply be linked to the same package (as binary variations), as long as the package has the same visual contents, there is not much else to do.

If a package would contain a disc with different label print, misprint or whatever it would qualify for a new package, you know what i mean?

Though, this preservation methode is way to complex. One cannot really confirm a package contents if it was an unsealed second hand purchase, resellers do not bother what they sell as long as they get rid of stuff, theirfore they mix everything together to get a "complete" set.