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...I read this advice by Haldrie http://redump.org/disc/8744/ but I don't see any discussion about it.
I found so many USA scene realeses that normally are not shrinked (about Wii only some Japan releases will be bad) with different checksums, so please everything is to be confirmed otherwise we might fullfill DB with bad dumps.

If everything is confirmed it's better to avoid Wifi dumper and check everything that was dumped that way.

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Dumps that could be bad within the ones I can check (I didn't check if they are different revisions):

http://redump.org/disc/7967/
http://redump.org/disc/8420/
http://redump.org/disc/9112/
http://redump.org/disc/8260/
http://redump.org/disc/8251/
http://redump.org/disc/8744/

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These ones have to be checked too:

http://redump.org/disc/8264/
http://redump.org/disc/8418/

Essentially all the ones released as PROPER by OneUp, because they are our dumps.

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Checked a pair, same revision so probably bad!

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Dumped via wifi using Wii Dumper v1.2

Other scene dumps made using rawdump have different garbage data then this dump that I made. If anyone gets different checksums when dumping this same disc then this dump can be deleted. I no longer have access to the original disc to verify this with other dumping software.
-Haldrie

So rawdump/friidump would produce correct "garbage"?

6 Reply by kiczek (edited by kiczek 2009-09-27 05:51:00)

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lol silly Haldrie the truth is he dumped 2 games using a shit Wifi dumper and cant redump them...

Rawdump is the defacto standard for dumping Wii / NGC games.  and when I asked him why one of his games was different from the PROMiNENT release he told me how he dumped them and i laughed in his face like nelson of the simpsons does. now instead of deleting the dumps till they can be redumped using a much more reliable method he posted that retarted comment. why this has anything to do with bsbt's dumps is beyond me you people read into this stuff too much.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_i7IqN0dMk7g/SKEOcU9L8hI/AAAAAAAACOc/zi6rcVWf10E/s400/haha_simpsons.jpg

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i have always used the wiikey dump disc and all my ngc games and wii and many of mine match smile

PSX'D OFF!!

8 Reply by Havikoro (edited by Havikoro 2009-09-27 09:04:15)

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This is why the mods of this site need to update all the dumping guides to help avoid issues like this. We know what hardware/software produces good dumps and what doesn't. I still can't believe in the PSP dumping guide it still says to use UMD DAX Dumper Beta 0.2 seriously WTF. I've asked many times for this to be changed and no one listens. So every new PSP dumper that comes to this site thinks umddax produces good dumps which it doesn't we know it underdumps. So they dump with that and submit their data. Due to the lack of updates to the PSP guide there could be many bad dumps in the PSP section.

My point is there are all sorts of methods and tools one can use to dump a game but there needs to be a standard at redump.org that guides people on the methods WE use to properly dump games.

ps2gamer2k7 wrote:

i have always used the wiikey dump disc and all my ngc games and wii and many of mine match smile

That could be the difference when dumping from a hard modded Wii vs. soft modded. I know that Haldrie dumped his discs from a soft modded Wii so that could be the problem right there. We need more confirmation but it looks like dumping from a soft modded Wii can produce bad dumps.

Rocknroms I'm not exactly sure why you are questioning the OneUp PROPER releases? What are you using to compare against the PROPER releases the others that got nuked? I'm hoping you can clarify this a little bit more.

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yes, update guides or make a wiki and let us do it!

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user7 wrote:

yes, update guides or make a wiki and let us do it!

Ask nelson ^above^, he may explain you  tongue

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11 Reply by Havikoro (edited by Havikoro 2009-09-27 12:54:56)

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user7 wrote:

yes, update guides or make a wiki and let us do it!

Excellent idea.

iR0b0t wrote:

Ask nelson ^above^, he may explain you  tongue

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Havikoro...

1) If bsbt's dumps are made via Rawdump/Friidump the discussion is closed: dumps in DB are right and scene are bad (except Haldrie's one).

2) Indeed if those dumps are made like Haldrie's one they have to be checked because I don't find any info around telling the same scene releases are bad / nuked.

I was pointing at Wii OneUp PROPER releases simply because those are the questioning dumps and nothing else.
Quite a year ago I had to help another dumper to redump about 10 Gamecube games because he used the wrong tool.

About a new guide for Gamecube / Wii dumping: I wanted to make it but I always used Rawdump and anything else so I cannot confirm if any other method is good or bad. If you (or anyone else) have tested other tools and can confirm if something else is suitable, write it down here and I'll make a new guide as soon as possible.
Please post here your experiences with any tool.

PS: However I don't think any wireless method could be good

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My dumps were made with an LG drive and rawdump, so they should be good.

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Thanks Rocknroms I think I understand where your coming from. I agree I think dumping by wifi is a bad idea and maybe even dumping using the Wii all together but that needs to be tested more.

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lol what this discussion really should be about is why Haldrie refuses to delete his dumps.

    The 2 recent Wii dumps he made are bad because of the method he used to dump them. The Scene standard method to dump Wii games is using Rawdump 2.0 and the tool Haldrie used streams the data to a FTP site over WiFi which is unreliable and should not be trusted but the WiFi dumper "CAN" make a good dump but in this instance it definately didnt. I know for a fact Wii Sports Resort was dumped using a LG drive and Rawdump. 

Remove your dumps Haldrie and stop confusing the shit out of people with your ridiculously bad dumps and retarted comments.  With over 95% of scene dumps matching the redump.org database I trust them more then your retarted dumping tool which is KNOWN to cause bad dumps due to the WiFi aspect of it. 

asking people to redump something in a database comment is utterly retarted as the game still exists in the ClrMAME dat we know what needs to be dumped and what doesnt we dont want your stupid retarted dump to be added and I think it should be removed until it can be redumped with a more trustworthy method.

this topic has nothing to do with anyone elses dumps so dont even discuss them here.

if you agree with this post please reply with a quick HA HA Haldrie and lets make him remove his crap.

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16 Reply by Havikoro (edited by Havikoro 2009-09-27 14:01:01)

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HA HA Haldrie

My reason being is Haldrie's dumps of Rock Band 2 and Wii Sports Resort are bad he should man up and remove them because they aren't doing any good in the db besides causing confusion.

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the dumps were removed and im glad he understood why i was so sensitive with regards to those 2 dumps.

good work! and it allowed him to figure out a much better method to dump games.

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I just dumped Rockband 2 and Wii Sports Resort today, this will hopefully clear things up.  I will be adding them shortly.  All my dumps are done using Superdump, as I mentioned in my first Wii dump post:

http://forum.redump.org/topic/4773/adde … -usa-v101/

I encourage people to redump my dumps which didn't match the scene releases.  I'm pretty confident in them though, as my methods/hardware/software have been the same for my 200+ Wii dumps.  We can't say the same for the scene releases.

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bsbt wrote:

I just dumped Rockband 2 and Wii Sports Resort today, this will hopefully clear things up.  I will be adding them shortly.  All my dumps are done using Superdump, as I mentioned in my first Wii dump post:

http://forum.redump.org/topic/4773/adde … -usa-v101/

I encourage people to redump my dumps which didn't match the scene releases.  I'm pretty confident in them though, as my methods/hardware/software have been the same for my 200+ Wii dumps.  We can't say the same for the scene releases.

I'm confident in your dumping methodology too. I just started to experiment with Superdump and it seems like really good software to use when dumping from the Wii. Keep up the excellent work your dumps are really appreciated.

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bsbt what about the games that you've dumped that havent even been done scene yet !! lol

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bsbt wrote:

I just dumped Rockband 2 and Wii Sports Resort today, this will hopefully clear things up.  I will be adding them shortly.  All my dumps are done using Superdump, as I mentioned in my first Wii dump post:

http://forum.redump.org/topic/4773/adde … -usa-v101/

I encourage people to redump my dumps which didn't match the scene releases.  I'm pretty confident in them though, as my methods/hardware/software have been the same for my 200+ Wii dumps.  We can't say the same for the scene releases.

Thanks!
When you have time please try to redump a pair of the ones I questioned also with the other slower tool just to check if you got same results.
Havikoro, we need the proof that Superdump gives always same result as Rawdump to say it's a good tool. At least it's not wireless, so at 99% there should be no loss of data.

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I just dumped Rockband 2 and Wii Sports Resort today, this will hopefully clear things up.

Moreover, I see your dump of Wii Sports Resort matches scene release. So please check what I asked in previous post then I can add Superdump as confirmed tool in faq and confirm your "suspicious" dumps as good.

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I guess Superdump as dumping tool is okay.

http://forum.redump.org/topic/4976/dump … with-usb2/

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Rocknroms, do you mean redumping some of these with WiiDump 1.5.1 (to SD card, of course)?

I already did that for "Cabela's Trophy Bucks" when I realized it didn't match the scene release.  Results were identical.  I think that's the only one in your list that I dumped with both Superdump and WiiDump (according to my notes).

Another game that didn't match the scene release was "Need for Speed: ProStreet".  For that one, I had access to 2 discs, so I dumped both with Superdump and got identical results.

By the way, Superdump correctly aborts the dumping when there is a read error, like when a disc is scratched.  It's frustrating when that happens, but it's nice to have proof that the error checking is there.

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bsbt wrote:

Rocknroms, do you mean redumping some of these with WiiDump 1.5.1 (to SD card, of course)?

I already did that for "Cabela's Trophy Bucks" when I realized it didn't match the scene release.  Results were identical.  I think that's the only one in your list that I dumped with both Superdump and WiiDump (according to my notes).

Another game that didn't match the scene release was "Need for Speed: ProStreet".  For that one, I had access to 2 discs, so I dumped both with Superdump and got identical results.

By the way, Superdump correctly aborts the dumping when there is a read error, like when a disc is scratched.  It's frustrating when that happens, but it's nice to have proof that the error checking is there.

Yes, I mean redumping with WiiDump and Superdump.
I think it's enough.

About post linked by iR0b0t: I read it when it was posted but I have to find time to update my modded wii to new configurations, infos around are always a great mess and I try to avoid wanikokos tools on Wii.

I'll make some test on my own and then I will provide a guide.
To begin, here are the confirmed dumping tools and methods:

1) Rawdump (if you want also Friidump, but it's slower) with a supported LG drive.

2) Superdump with a modded (also softmodded?) Wii.

3) Wiikey dump disc (more info are needed).

About GC I think that old method is obsolete.

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