edit: Never mind
- iR0b0t
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There is no reason not to keep DC section.
Some dumpers here, have DC games (including me, tossEAC, Rocknroms, NiK0tiN, ...),
but need some experience/praxis in dumping dreamcast games.
PX-760A (+30), PX-W4824TA (+98), GSA-H42L (+667), GDR-8164B (+102), SH-D162D (+6), SOHD-167T (+12)
Jackal wrote:
Another reason is that so far there have only been 2 dumpers (including me), and there's no reason to assume that there will be more
Wtf? It were you, who turned away everyone interested in dumping DC, you were sending everyone to TOSEC and I remember this very clearly. As for now, defor was interested in dumping some DC, also Yuki was offering her help, if someone Japanese-speaking would be able to translate the guide (asapy?).
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I say it again and I'll say it again. Most (or all) of track02.raw of tosec DC are bad.
Moreover you may have no loss of data for audio pregap, but you have it for data pregap.
I've tried again 2 days ago to dump a GD, I used also forceaspi to reinstal aspi, but I have no luck. It takes too long and I got only 0x00. As soon as I can I'll format my pc to see if it will work.
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Come on guys.. we all know that this method is far from practical.. it's only for experienced dumpers and I only recommend it for people with a Plextor drive (something recent like the PX760A).. I'm not surprised why nobody except pnkiller and me have been succesful at this so far (also because it's too difficult to write an easy guide for it).
IMHO this has turned into a silly 'race', except the winner is already known (23 dumps vs 610 verified and many more unverified on their forums)..
@F1ReB4LL, you told me before that Yuki was already dumping for tosec/dumpcast.. if that's the case, then she must be crazy to switch to a method which takes so much more effort. I suppose the only reason she would consider this at all is because you are pressing her to do this 
I don't mind if people prefer to use our method (I still think the dumps are superior), but I posted this thread because there's just no progress anymore with this system. Blaming me for this is really funny. Without my help we wouldn't even have a dumping method or a guide (maybe they're not user friendly, but I don't mind that 
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Jackal wrote:
@F1ReB4LL, you told me before that Yuki was already dumping for tosec/dumpcast.. if that's the case, then she must be crazy to switch to a method which takes so much more effort. I suppose the only reason she would consider this at all is because you are pressing her to do this
We've decided that dumping for both projects can't be regarded as a crime 
F1ReB4LL wrote:
Jackal wrote:@F1ReB4LL, you told me before that Yuki was already dumping for tosec/dumpcast.. if that's the case, then she must be crazy to switch to a method which takes so much more effort. I suppose the only reason she would consider this at all is because you are pressing her to do this
We've decided that dumping for both projects can't be regarded as a crime
I hope TOSEC thinks the same about that I happened to have bought one of their unverified ones last week and I intend to post it on both places, so I hope they'll accept it hehe (I wanna post it here because I think the audio checksums will match the PSX version, so it would be nice to show once more that our dumping method makes sense).
8 2008-12-11 01:57:33 (edited by ssjkakaroto 2008-12-11 01:58:42)
I'm just waiting for my PX-760 to dump my DC games. In fact, I bought Resident Evil - Code Veronica (J) today waiting for it.
/me looks at iR0b0t 
Even if you decide to abondon DC dumps, i think its worth keeping the dumped games for information and dats available
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Jackal wrote:
Just wondering, is there any point in keeping this system on the site? Basically everybody is dumping for tosec/dumpcast anyway and their project has already 610 discs verified and counting..
I know that our dumping method is different, but still there isn't anything really wrong about their dumps this time. There's no missing data and it's in RAW, so isn't it better to just stick with the systems that we're good at?
Another reason is that so far there have only been 2 dumpers (including me), and there's no reason to assume that there will be more
Any opinions?
Come on, I think that it's a shame that this would be erased from the DB. The DC was a beautiful system, and I think that even if tosec/dumpcast have more dump that us, our method is far superior, more accurate and far better at the end. I haven't dumped 2 or 3 disc more disc that I have here 
ps: My girlfriend almost dump me for passing almost three weekends dumping those discs and not with her, you know the women
It only took me a couple hours
12 2008-12-18 05:11:41 (edited by pnkiller78 2008-12-18 05:12:00)
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WtF
Well I could take a look at your guys method of dumping and if I can manage doing it with the hardware I have hear I'll see about doing up some dumps. (USA 200+, JAP 5+, EUR 1 or 2)
However a few questions up front.
1. Can the dumps be used by NullDC & Makaron?
2. How perfect must the disc's be for dumping? (mint, good, okay, trash)
3. Past the manual disc swap can I automate the rest of it with AutoIt...or is there more human interaction required?
4. Can I verify my own dumps with other disc's I own...or am I treated as a liar just like with TOSEC?
5. Are dumps actively accepted and verified...the lag TOSEC has is unacceptable...100 dumps & only like 10 check in three weeks.
6. You guys going to have issues with the fact I have issues with TOSEC?
Mildly off topic...but has anyone figured out a way to create a more standard image of these dumps? Ideally I'd like to turn all my dumps into compressed MDS\MDF images with DaemonTools.
Nologic wrote:
Well I could take a look at your guys method of dumping and if I can manage doing it with the hardware I have hear I'll see about doing up some dumps. (USA 200+, JAP 5+, EUR 1 or 2)
However a few questions up front.
1. Can the dumps be used by NullDC & Makaron?
2. How perfect must the disc's be for dumping? (mint, good, okay, trash)
3. Past the manual disc swap can I automate the rest of it with AutoIt...or is there more human interaction required?
4. Can I verify my own dumps with other disc's I own...or am I treated as a liar just like with TOSEC?
5. Are dumps actively accepted and verified...the lag TOSEC has is unacceptable...100 dumps & only like 10 check in three weeks.
6. You guys going to have issues with the fact I have issues with TOSEC?
Mildly off topic...but has anyone figured out a way to create a more standard image of these dumps? Ideally I'd like to turn all my dumps into compressed MDS\MDF images with DaemonTools.
1. If the .gdi's that the site generates are still correct then they should work (Dremora should know this).
2. Same as with any other system I guess.. To be sure that there's no corruption you can detect errors by extracting the c2 data and checking the .c2 file for non-zero bytes (if it's all zeroes then there's no corruption).
3. This is only possible if there's only a data track in the high density area, but then still I don't really see the advantage of using such tool.
4. Sure. If you verified yourself with 2 discs then we accept that.
5. It shouldn't take longer than a day for the dump to be added. Usually it's added within a couple hours.
6. I don't know if I should comment on this one hehe. We have a bit of a history with TOSEC. Nowadays we try to respect/ignore them, although some members still love to criticize them. Personally I'm impressed with how much they've accomplished already with their gdrom set. However, we still consider our dumps to be more correct, so we think it's good to give people the opportunity to preserve these discs the best possible way.
Not sure what you mean with 'a more standard image'. Of course it's possible to merge all 3 low density tracks into a single binary (by just doing 'copy /b track1+track2+track3') or merging the high density tracks (in case there are audio tracks) just like it's possible for any cd dump, but we choose to store our dumps with splitted tracks because this has certain advantages and provides us with more information (it allows us to compare the checksums of each audio track etc).
It wouldn't make sense to make a single image (like .mdf) out of all tracks (both low and high density), because there's a ring in between both area's which isn't preserved. Therefore it's better to dump both area's to separate images.
If you're serious about dumping gdrom then I highly recommend you to look for a lite-on drive which can extract the whole contents (I have a SOHD-167T which does that).. if you have a dreamcast console with bba then maybe it's also possible to correct these dumps (I believe this is what pnkiller78 did), but unfortunately we don't have a guide on that yet.
Jackal wrote:
Nologic wrote:4. Can I verify my own dumps with other disc's I own...or am I treated as a liar just like with TOSEC?
4. Sure. If you verified yourself with 2 discs then we accept that.
This isn't always good, though. Example - http://forum.redump.org/topic/3902/cd32 … mmander-e/ (was also confirmed twice by the same dumper).
3. Well when your looking at dumping hundreds of disc's it's nice to make it as less error prone as possible. Really I'll just have to get my hands dirty and see what can and can't be done in this area.
4. I'll only be able to do it with maybe 60 disc's at this point...I've given away a lot of dups. Hehe but I still have enough copies of Soul Caliber & Crazy Taxi to reroof my shed.
6. Well I'm not since the USA set should have been finished last year, till they decided to be lazy, followed by pissing in my coffee.
Well the ring couldn't that be compensated by an overly large pregap?...well I'm no storage media wiz thats for sure...but it would be nice to archive my dumps as single images with a cue sheet.
I do have a dreamcast...actually like 4 or 5 still and one BBA...frigging over priced NIC. Not sure if I'm up for buying a another drive...got a ton of Sony's, Plextor's, Toshiba's and really hoping one of them will do the job.
Anyways I guess we'll see what I can cook up.
F1ReB4LL wrote:
This isn't always good, though. Example - http://forum.redump.org/topic/3902/cd32 … mmander-e/ (was also confirmed twice by the same dumper).
Well I'd gladly accept any challenge to any of my claims of verification...hehe but I'll call bullshit if its something like Soul Caliber where I have 30 odd copies of the game & I run through them and come up with the same hashes.
Nologic wrote:
Well the ring couldn't that be compensated by an overly large pregap?...well I'm no storage media wiz thats for sure...but it would be nice to archive my dumps as single images with a cue sheet.
I guess this is possible, but I'm not sure if the .gdi format supports this.
And good luck testing your drives.
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Nologic wrote:
till they decided to be lazy, followed by pissing in my coffee.
I must laugh, sorry!
Nologic wrote:
Well the ring couldn't that be compensated by an overly large pregap?
I do not think it is a good idea, the original disc has no gap between LOW and HIGH density areas, we have to dump them properly and have to find an other solution.
Nologic wrote:
It would be nice to archive my dumps as single images with a cue sheet.
You can just parse all single images together, and create GDI to CUE converter, and add instead of ring area a pregap to the first high density data track, but only to your private copies after you did dump them on the right way
Nologic wrote:
Anyways I guess we'll see what I can cook up.
Hopefully it will taste to all of us
PX-760A (+30), PX-W4824TA (+98), GSA-H42L (+667), GDR-8164B (+102), SH-D162D (+6), SOHD-167T (+12)
Nologic wrote:
F1ReB4LL wrote:This isn't always good, though. Example - http://forum.redump.org/topic/3902/cd32 … mmander-e/ (was also confirmed twice by the same dumper).
Well I'd gladly accept any challenge to any of my claims of verification...hehe but I'll call bullshit if its something like Soul Caliber where I have 30 odd copies of the game & I run through them and come up with the same hashes.
I mean, you could do something wrong (like the case I've mentioned). Different people have less chances to do something wrong in a same way.
Heh thats okay...it was figuratively and not literal.
Below is a list of what I have USA game wise that is in my mind able to be dumped...I got 6 or 8 others that have to be sent in for cleaning as they are in really rough shape.
18-Wheeler: American Pro Trucker
4x4 EVO
AeroWings
AeroWings 2: Air Strike
AirForce Delta
Alien Front Online
Alone in the Dark: The New Nightmare
Armada
Army Men: Sarge's Heroes
Atari Anniversary Edition
BANG! Gunship Elite
Blue Stinger
Bomberman Online
Bust-a-Move 4
Buzz Lightyear of Star Command
Caesars Palace 2000: Millennium Gold Edition
Cannon Spike
Capcom vs. SNK
Carrier
Centipede
Championship Surfer
Charge 'N Blast
Chicken Run
ChuChu Rocket!
Coaster Works
Confidential Mission
Conflict Zone
Crazy Taxi
Crazy Taxi 2
D2
Dave Mirra Freestyle BMX
Daytona USA
Dead or Alive 2
Death Crimson OX
Demolition Racer: No Exit
Dino Crisis
Disney's 102 Dalmatians: Puppies to the Rescue
Disney's Dinosaur
Draconus: Cult of the Wyrm
Dragonriders: Chronicles of Pern
Ducati World Racing Challenge
Dynamite Cop!
Ecco the Dolphin: Defender of the Future
ECW: Hardcore Revolution
ESPN International Track & Field
Evolution 2: Far Off Promise
Evolution: The World of Sacred Device
Expendable
F1 World Grand Prix
F355 Challenge: Passione Rossa
Fatal Fury: Mark of the Wolves
Fighting Force 2
Flag to Flag
Floigan Bros.: Episode 1
Frogger 2: Swampy's Revenge
Fur Fighters
Gauntlet Legends
GigaWing
Grand Theft Auto 2
Grandia II
Gunbird 2
Gundam Side Story 0079
Heavy Metal: Geomatrix
Hidden & Dangerous
Hoyle Casino
Hydro Thunder
Illbleed
Incoming
Industrial Spy: Operation Espionage
Iron Aces
Jeremy McGrath Supercross 2000
Jet Grind Radio
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure
KISS Psycho Circus: The Nightmare Child
Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver
Looney Tunes Space Race
Maken X
Marvel vs. Capcom: Clash of Super Heroes
Marvel vs. Capcom 2
Mat Hoffman's Pro BMX
Maximum Pool
MDK 2
Metropolis Street Racer
Midway's Greatest Arcade Hits: Vol. 1
Midway's Greatest Arcade Hits: Vol. 2
Monaco Grand Prix
Mortal Kombat Gold
Mr. Driller
Ms. Pac-Man: Maze Madness
MTV Sports: Skateboarding Featuring Andy Macdonald
Namco Museum
NBA 2K
NBA 2K1
NBA 2K2
NBA Hoopz
NBA Showtime: NBA on NBC
NCAA College Football 2K2: Road to the Rose Bowl
NFL 2K
NFL 2K1
NFL 2K2
NFL Blitz 2000
NFL Blitz 2001
NFL QB Club 2001
NFL Quarterback Club 2000
NHL 2K
NHL 2K2
Nightmare Creatures II
Omikron: The Nomad Soul
Ooga Booga
Outtrigger
PenPen Pen Pen Tricelon
Phantasy Star Online
Phantasy Star Online Ver. 2
Plasma Sword: Nightmare of Bilstein
POD: SpeedZone
Power Stone
Psychic Force 2012
Q*bert
Quake III Arena
Railroad Tycoon II: Gold Edition
Rayman 2: The Great Escape
Razor Freestyle Scooter
Re-Volt
Ready 2 Rumble Boxing
Record of Lodoss War
Red Dog: Superior Firepower
Reel Fishing Wild
Resident Evil -- CODE: Veronica
Resident Evil 2
Resident Evil 3: Nemesis
Rippin' Riders Snowboarding
Roadsters
San Francisco Rush 2049
Seaman
Sega Bass Fishing
Sega Bass Fishing 2
Sega GT
Sega Marine Fishing
Sega Rally Championship 2
Sega Smash Pack: Vol. 1
Seventh Cross: Evolution
Shadow Man
Shenmue
Silent Scope
Silver
Skies of Arcadia
Slave Zero
Sno-Cross Championship Racing
Soldier of Fortune
Sonic Adventure
Sonic Adventure 2
Sonic Shuffle
Soul Calibur
Soul Fighter
South Park: Chef's Luv Shack
Space Channel 5
Spawn: In the Demon's Hand
Spec Ops II: Omega Squad
Speed Devils
Speed Devils Online Racing
Spider-Man
Spirit of Speed 1937
Sports Jam
StarLancer
Star Wars: Demolition
Star Wars: Episode I: Jedi Power Battles
Star Wars: Episode I: Racer
Street Fighter Alpha 3
Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike
Street Fighter III: Double Impact
Striker Pro 2000
Stupid Invaders
Super Magnetic Neo
Super Runabout: San Francisco Edition
Surf Rocket Racers
Suzuki Alstare Extreme Racing
Sydney 2000
Tee Off
Tennis 2K2
Test Drive 6
Test Drive Le Mans
Test Drive V-Rally
The Grinch
The House of the Dead 2
The King of Fighters: Dream Match 1999
The King of Fighters: Evolution
The Last Blade 2: Heart of the Samurai
The Next Tetris: On-Line Edition
The Ring: Terror's Realm
Time Stalkers
TNN Motorsports HardCore Heat
Tokyo Xtreme Racer
Tokyo Xtreme Racer 2
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Rogue Spear
Tomb Raider Chronicles
Tomb Raider: The Last Revelation
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2
Toy Commander
Toy Story 2: Buzz Lightyear to the Rescue
TrickStyle
Ultimate Fighting Championship
Urban Chaos
Unreal Tournament
Vanishing Point
Vigilante 8: 2nd Offense
Virtua Athlete 2000
Virtua Fighter 3tb
Virtua Tennis
Virtua Striker 2
Virtual On: Oratorio Tangram
Wacky Races
Walt Disney World Quest: Magical Racing Tour
Wetrix+
Wild Metal: Reclaim the Future
World Series Baseball 2K1
World Series Baseball 2K2
Worms World Party
WWF Attitude
WWF Royal Rumble
Xtreme Sports
Zombie Revenge
I'll try to produce a dup list as well, so others have an idea of what to buy or trade for so that we can complete things as quick as possible.
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Nologic wrote:
Well I could take a look at your guys method of dumping and if I can manage doing it with the hardware I have hear I'll see about doing up some dumps. (USA 200+, JAP 5+, EUR 1 or 2)
However a few questions up front.
1. Can the dumps be used by NullDC & Makaron?
Yes, confirmed (I tried it too) on NullDC. GDI is some kind of cue so I haven't ever understand the doubt about working or not.
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F1ReB4LL wrote:
I mean, you could do something wrong (like the case I've mentioned). Different people have less chances to do something wrong in a same way.
Well true enough, however ideally I'll side step such mishaps. Hopefully with the AutoIt script I'll be writing it will remove a lot of the human error involved for myself and others.
Rocknroms wrote:
Yes, confirmed (I tried it too) on NullDC. GDI is some kind of cue so I haven't ever understand the doubt about working or not.
Heh well the doubt springs from never having tried it ones self.
Try to confirm existing USA dumps first.