[SS] Something about dumping Saturn games (updated 04/12/08) (Page 2 of 4)

Try to redump ClockWerx, verify KoF'96 and check those PAL titles.

Jackal,

You're sentence about wo detection you added on d8 command thread is not true for SS games. Simply look at Gunbird: old method reports wo=+1176, d8 reports wo=0. The second is right because disc has sync and mastering errors (the same is for many other discs, Dremora's mod of px_d8 prooved it because you can find offset only where you have real data).

Thanks iR0b0t

I will edit this post while I check:

1) ClockWerx (J) (Track 05-06) has to be fixed ---> Track06 first sector is 0x02

2) Sega Rally Championship (U) (Track 04-05-06) --> Both track have first 2 sectors (preg 2.02) at 0x00, so they are part of pregap. By the way on Q-SEC coloumn they have 0x02 (I don't know if this mean something and there are 2 dumps matching, so I think it's right).

Frame  P                        Q-CONTROL Q-ADDRESS Q-TNO Q-INDEX Q-MIN Q-SEC Q-FRAME Q-ZERO Q-AMIN Q-ASEC Q-AFRAME Q-CRC16 R                        S                        T                        U                        V                        W                        
 77623 000000000000000000000000         0          1   04      01    04    57      74     00     17     16       69    34bc 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000
 77624 000000000000000000000000         0          1   04      01    04    58      00     00     17     16       70    e627 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000
 77625 000000000000000000000000         0          1   04      01    04    58      01     00     17     16       71    5c57 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000
 77626 000000000000000000000000         0          1   04      01    04    58      02     00     17     16       72    82e6 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000
 77627 000000000000000000000000         0          1   05      00    00    02      01     00     17     16       73    e7b5 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000
 77628 000000000000000000000000         0          1   05      00    00    02      00     00     17     16       74    3d03 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000
 77629 000000000000000000000000         0          1   05      00    00    01      74     00     17     17       00    6a41 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000
 77630 000000000000000000000000         0          1   05      00    00    01      73     00     17     17       01    1db4 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000
 77631 000000000000000000000000         0          1   05      00    00    01      72     00     17     17       02    8786 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000
 77632 000000000000000000000000         0          1   05      00    00    01      71     00     17     17       03    7975 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000
 77633 000000000000000000000000         0          1   05      00    00    01      70     00     17     17       04    a3c3 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000
 77634 000000000000000000000000         0          1   05      00    00    01      69     00     17     17       05    1fc4 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000

3) Cyber Speedway (E) (Track 03-04, 06-07, 12-13, 13-14, 16-17, 18-19). Same as above for all tracks with 2.02 pregap on Q-ADDRESS 0x00 and on Q-SEC 0x02.

4) Thunderhawk 2 - Firestorm (G)

A. Thunderhawk 2 - Firestorm (G) (Track 06-07) has to be fixed ---> Track07 first sector is 0x02

B. Thunderhawk 2 - Firestorm (G) (all tracks with 2.02 pregap). Same as Sega Rally Championship (U)/Cyber Speedway (E) for all tracks with 2.02 pregap on Q-ADDRESS 0x00 and on Q-SEC 0x02.

5) King of Fighters '96, The (J) (Track 12-13) has been fixed OK ---> Track13 first sector is 0x02

Finished.

What's inside the first sector of that 02:01 pregap (i.e. in the last sector of the datatrack, if we assume the pregap is 02:00)? I have Gale Racer (already dumped, ring is the same) http://redump.org/disc/3027/ - track02 pregap is clearly 02:01, but that sector contains pure data, which shouldn't be in the pregap. Unscrambled 0 sector also shows +222 offset, so it shouldn't be +810. We should either leave it as 02:00 or add that doubtful sector to the pregap, like it was done in similar cases with CD32 - http://redump.org/disc/3872/ and http://redump.org/disc/4032/

As I've said, wo should be +810 for that, +222 leaves the whole data sector (2352 bytes) in the 1st sector of track02 pregap.

asapy's help is needed (he is the dumper of Gale Racer) - I guess, p_star has already sold his copy.

And all the CDs with C xx ring should be reverified, if possible, and further dumps should also be verified, because it's seems to be a common thing (remember Virtua Fighter Remix with its 1.74, for example).

FIXES TODO:

iR0b0t please check if yours are right:

PX760A not able to read subs correctly? you must be dreaming..

Maybe these ones weren't read with Plextor. If he check his dumps at least twice on different drives and another one can read them, it's fine. But this particular one reads subchannels wrong and completely unsuitable for dumping.

Use the latest perfectrip in .ccd mode with 100b mode and a low speed (cdreader can't extract a full images of mixed mode cd's afaik).

ps. of the 52 saturn games that you dumped, 12 are verified.. also, I don't see how subchannel reading can go wrong?

subs repost:

http://redump.org/disc/5088/   perfectrip
http://redump.org/disc/5250/   perfectrip
http://redump.org/disc/5194/   perfectrip
http://redump.org/disc/5196/   perfectrip
http://redump.org/disc/4892/   perfectrip

i'm sorry, but imho regarding gap sizes this is going way too far.
what's the point of checking every CD manually, when in the end it means so little - it's the same data anyway...
why not just take single pattern for gap layout (like data->audio 2:00 audio->audio 1:74)
and go with it whenever deviations from this pattern are small enought, say 01-02 sectors

if ther's some really strange gaps, like KOF'95 - ok, it's different then.
but what's the point of investing time to check whether gap should be 2:01 or 2:00
and after all this, probabbly end up with something like:
0:00
2:00
2:00
2:01
2:00
...
imho it does not make sense anyway...
why not have all neat 1:74 or 2:00 gaps instead?

edit:
i mean - if ther's difficulties with drive and it reports some gaps wrongly because of subcode
i don't think it's a problem really - just go with pattern, no need to analyze thoroughly
(except maybe take a look at sector content at the end of 1st track; beginning of 2nd, where data changes to audio.
but everyone should be doing this anyway)
and when gap structure is analyzed and decision made to keep one or more little different gaps
(because it says so in subcode) - it's still wrong imho