1 Topic by ulugabi (edited by ulugabi 2008-10-03 02:02:44)

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edit: Stupid question that i solved myself
Just to know, is it normal to have 150 sectors of zero of the end of a data track (pregap of Track02?)

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EAC sometimes reports wrong pregap on first audio track, I see that on DB pregap is 3seconds, try to detect gaps with another drive.
By the way your data track seems too big if it's the same game in DB http://redump.org/disc/1001/ (63648 sectors).
150 sectors of 0x00 are normal if you had to cut pregap of first audio track.

Sorry, but it's an original disc? I asked you this because bigger M2/2352 tracks and 0 pregaps can be found easily in P2P dumps.

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3 Reply by ulugabi (edited by ulugabi 2008-10-03 02:14:25)

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Yep i dump from original medias (don't think it's possible to make a redump.org dump from a copy)
It's the same game but for Windows

And for the zero lines and it was the same for my other release Fun Tracks (Ignition)

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Sorry, in this case everything you said it's normal (also 0 sec pregap).
As you edit above yes 150sectors are 2 seconds pregap of track02. Sorry again for misunderstanding.

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sorry didn't finish the other msg before your answer since i was verifying my other release.
So just to be sure before i made other releases and have to correct them after.

It's normal that the size said by cd mage (end sector) correspond to the size of ISO buster after i used resize.
And the end of the file is 150 sectors full of 0 with just a few lines used at the sector: "endsector-150"

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ulugabi wrote:

It's normal that the size said by cd mage (end sector) correspond to the size of ISO buster after i used resize.
And the end of the file is 150 sectors full of 0 with just a few lines used at the sector: "endsector-150"

Yes, and if you don't cut those 150 sectors CDMage will always find errors because they are not in the same data format.

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7 Reply by ulugabi (edited by ulugabi 2008-10-03 02:37:07)

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Hum not sure you totally get me:

For the errors for sure i know these 150 sectors have to be cut
My question was about the 150 ones from the last sectors with data to the end sector said by Iso buster or cd mage (after have used resize on the bin) which is by what we said the pregap. And if it's write i suppose if i download redump.org releases not made by me i will always found 150 sectors full of zero at the end of the data track of every CD data+audio?

And really thx for the answers since i know i like to be precise wink

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Ok, I understand. Some CD may have more seconds of zeros at the end of data track (not pregap of track02), but normally you have some garbage and sector header every 2352 bytes (these are empty sectors but in raw format).
If you have only 0x00 probably track02 pregap is bigger than the one detected by EAC (it's not strange a track02 pregap of 4 seconds as it seems your CD).

PS: If you are having "track 01" opened by CDMAge or Iso Buster, Resize doesn't work (doesn't cut anything because file is open under another application), have you checked this?

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i checked the 0 only on the cd with isobuster, i used resized without cdmage open.
Here i have a LG dvd writer, I have some old cd writer and driver (plextor ones 10 years old) so i think i will try to plug these on my pc tomorrow (its 4AM here wink or try on another computer and see if the crc are the same and contact u if there s a problem.
Maybe it's jsut the 2 cds which are like that (fun tracks and Moto Racer, two games from 1997). Cause here it looks logic, i dump the data track, delete the bad datas cause isobuster couldn't find the start of the audio track. And so finally i got an data track with 299 sectors full of zero (1,987 seconds) at the end and one sector with just 26 lines and zero after

thx for the answers

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Ok i checked on my sony laptop, the drive is a Matsushita UJ 832 (which by the brand name is a panasonic UJ 832 in the accurate drive list). I got the same CRC. So i suppose my dump is ok.

I just noticed something. Method A for gap detection is really fast on the laptop but longer on my LG drive; it s very long for the first audio track and after same speed as the laptop for the other tracks. Is it normal?
I tried method C: don't work freezes on a track and method B: gives really strang gap 0,16; 0,4; ...  and don't correspond to what detect my laptop or method A on my LG drive. I keep method A?

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Stay always on method A unless it finds strange pregaps. I have an LG too, even mine is slow on the first audio track.

About your questions: EAC pregap detection is not always right (I posted a thread in dump section right now about a similar problem), when you look into IB to see offset correction you have to understand also if EAC pregap is right. A clue, as I undestand, is the syncronization of 2352 data format headers (the row you find at the beginning of every 2352 sector .ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ.....). If this row is shifted ** so this is data that has to be moved on first audio track, instead if this row is regular this sector is part of data track (if under IB you find a row where EAC indicates start of pregap, you have to move forward 1 sector, so if EAC says 2.00 seconds you have to set 1.74 and obviously you have to cut track01 of 350448 instead of 352800).

** shifted row

00000000  00 00 CA 90 21 37 8D 69 00 FF FF FF FF FF FF FF  ..Ê.!7.i.ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ
00000010  FF FF FF 00 30 13 23 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ÿÿÿ.0.#.........

I hope to have explained it right.

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12 Reply by ulugabi (edited by ulugabi 2008-10-03 20:14:14)

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I understand a bit but not totally since i 'm not sure how the datas have to be in order to respect the redump.org method.
Here my data track is as secors as IB say it.
Maybe u can download my iso on underground gamer (or i can send it to u) in order to tell me if it's good or not

by the way which hex editor do u think is best, i have win hex workshop?

And in your post in dumps section you spoke about : "but if you try to go one sector back progam and cdreader freeze"; Is this normal since the same thing happen when i do sector viex on the fu ntracks release?

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It's not necessary you upload full track. Use remove (http://forum.redump.org/viewtopic.php?id=2559) on your resized track with following command remove -Size=375sec "track 01.bin" end_of_track.bin (backup track before this operation) then upload "end_of_track" somewhere so we can check this last 4-5 seconds you are talking about.

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ulugabi wrote:

by the way which hex editor do u think is best, i have win hex workshop?

HxD ---> http://mh-nexus.de/en/

ulugabi wrote:

And in your post in dumps section you spoke about : "but if you try to go one sector back progam and cdreader freeze"; Is this normal since the same thing happen when i do sector viex on the fu ntracks release?

Some drivers cannot read sectors between data and audio tracks and freeze, but in the case of my thread is probably a mastering error that is the cause of wrong pregap detection.

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15 Reply by ulugabi (edited by ulugabi 2008-10-03 20:41:07)

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Here it is: http://dl.free.fr/rPUul9mCv
Hope we will have finish soon, i can't scan and dump over games while i look for this.

So this error can be interesting since it's just one sector before the "end of data track sector said by IB -150 on Fun Tracks and on Moto Racer too

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Your track is perfectly normal, below is last sector (it seems Mode2 data, I'm right?), the first row is the header that contains information of this sector on cd or track.

000D6C20  00 FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 05 32 56 02  .ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ..2V.
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000D7540  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 3F 13 B0 BE  ............?.°¾

Try as explained in the guide, go before back of "pregap - 1 sector" (ex: 150 - 1 -> 149) and than go back of last one.
If there's nothing else then cd-drive freezing is not an interesting error *. Don't worry dump your game.

*

Some drivers cannot read sectors between data and audio tracks and freeze

Cannot read this data within IB and other sector viewer programs.

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17 Reply by ulugabi (edited by ulugabi 2008-10-03 22:29:55)

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You're right.
For the freeze i will take the example of this fun tracks release:
IB says Track starts at 24 957
24 957- 149 = 24 808
and it don't load sector view when i try sector 24 806

I must admit i'm completely lost with these sectors and hex editor thing wink
For example i don't udnerstand why HxD put yyyy in right column for FFF and not sector viexw in IB

Why there re these FFF and 3F 13 B0 BE at the very end of the file i sent you while i see nothing in sector viex from IB?

And why if as u say the driver freeze between audio and data track it happens at this sector since there are 150 other sectors before the end of the data track

Finally where are the gaps? at the start of every track file or at the end?

For other releases if EAc don't detect me strange gaps i suppose all my dumps will be good if the sector size said by IB = the sector size of the file said by cd mage?

And last one not related to this. By doing a image with protection like this will it be possible to play it without a crack (like if i made the image with clone cd?)

But so if my dump is ok i suppose it's the same for Moto Racer and i'm quiet happy i can continue without loosing lot of times editing bins. So i just loose some hours for no problem wink

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Gaps (or pregaps) are at the beginning of every track, so what happens to you is normal if your drive cannot handle this sectors under IB sector viewer. IB has a bug and appends track02 pregap to end of track01 (those 150 sectors are pregap of following track, this is why you have to cut data track).
It's normal that you don't see sector headers under IB.

If your game is protected you have to know what kind of protection it has.

1) If it's a sample .exe protection you can dump your CD and then if you want to play it from backup you can use the crack as always.

2) If it's Safedisc, look and redump as said here ---> http://forum.redump.org/viewtopic.php?id=2201

3) If it's a newer protection (I don't think so) your dump is vain because Redump has not yet added subchannels to DB.

PS: Moto Racer PC seems to have CD Check protection (simply requires CD o be inserted), so it's a simple protection and can be dumped normal way.

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So for a protected game in a play purpose it will be better to use a clone cd image than a redump.org image since you don't need to use a crack, this is sad since i don't like to use crack.
For your first sentence we came back on the same problem: i understand what u said (specially since it's what i rode in the guide) but i m confused about the sector size. I understood IB can't detect start of audio and it's why we have to remove but what i don't udnerstand is that my data track as a equivalent sector size after remove = to the one said by IB So the bug only happend while ripping? or IB had 150 sectors before the data track when ripping?

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Edit: Sorry. IB detects right size but dumps pregap of track02 joined to track01 data, it happens only on ripping

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Hello i'm back.
In order to be totally sure i found some cds that i got which are already in the db: Quake (http://redump.org/disc/2251/) and the ultimate doom - the flesh consumed  (http://redump.org/disc/4426/) and so it works.
Quake got audio tracks so after resize correct dump that match the one above and audios matches too with the -22 i found with IB (so +80 in EAC options with my +102 value of my driveoffset value)
Doom din't have any audio tracks so match the dump above directly.

But i have some other questions now wink
When i inserted quake Cd, EAC told me i can use this disc with accurate rip, i said ok and so after the check he automatically checked "Use AccurateRIP with this drive " in Drive Options (F10), and with this checked the dumped audio tracks werent matching the db. So i suppose this is normal just a feature that don't really work today, isn't it?

The second one will be just for infos, what are exactly the read and write offset value? (i have a little glimp of it but would like to be sure)

Thx

PS: By the way when will be my previous dumps added in the db?

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ulugabi wrote:

already in the db: Quake (http://redump.org/disc/2251/) and the ultimate doom - the flesh consumed  (http://redump.org/disc/4426/) and so it works.
Quake got audio tracks so after resize correct dump that match the one above and audios matches too with the -22 i found with IB (so +80 in EAC options with my +102 value of my driveoffset value)
Doom din't have any audio tracks so match the dump above directly.

You have to post all datas about your dumps (crc dat, cue file and infos about CD) otherwise it's impossible to guess.
For a dump already in DB open a post in dump forums with all data or add data in wip (add new disk).

When i inserted quake Cd, EAC told me i can use this disc with accurate rip, i said ok and so after the check he automatically checked "Use AccurateRIP with this drive " in Drive Options (F10), and with this checked the dumped audio tracks werent matching the db. So i suppose this is normal just a feature that don't really work today, isn't it?

Never answer yes to that question as it may change some settings in EAC. probably now you'll have to configure properly again EAC.

The second one will be just for infos, what are exactly the read and write offset value? (i have a little glimp of it but would like to be sure)

Write offset is offset used for mastering CD by manufacturer, so dumping a game this way you'll have properly preserved a game.
Read offset is only needed for your drive to calculate real write offset.
In EAC you don't have to change write offset value.

PS: By the way when will be my previous dumps added in the db?

You have to add necessary infos in dumps you posted, as I said above, otherwise they cannot be added. Sometimes you have to wait some days for that anyway. Post also your matching dumps information so you can confirm you are doing it right, thanks!:)

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23 Reply by ulugabi (edited by ulugabi 2008-10-07 03:01:37)

  • Registered: 2008-09-29
  • Posts: 119

Cd-serial and ring code is the same thing? And if not where can i find the first one? So except that and the cue it msised nothing in my infos?

and i don't use Clrmamepro since i don't like it, i always used Romcenter for my roms collection wink

For the read/offset values i was asking at what it correspond physically on the cd and for the driver (like +22 will mean cd started to have infos 22 offsets after the normal start of the cd,....?)

PS: fucking ring code, i have to use a mirror since the up side is printed

  • From: Hyrule
  • Registered: 2008-01-16
  • Posts: 1,440

Serial and ring code may be the same, by the way it's not always like this. Normally serial is on cd case or box.
About Clrmame you have to use only dir2dat internal util enabling MD5 and SHA (disabling all the rest)  and scanning directory to make a dat.

If your CD has wo = +22, audio tracks will be shifted of 22 samples backward (data starts 22 sample before, it's the opposite), first data track start always after 2.00 sec (with probaly a few exceptions).

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