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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I need to say sorry, the other day was a bad day for me in RL, and i don&#039;t like to troll or discuss on any forum, i&#039;m a very pacific guy.</p><p>First, i didn&#039;t know the No-Intro rules, second, seeing some titles at the database with different capitalization confused me (some french, spanish and german ones).</p><p>Third, my only intention was and is, helping the project, i&#039;m here since 2007 (psxdb) and i love the project. This is something that obviously sometimes i do wrong.</p><p>Regards.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 03:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Devcon, titles you reported are wrong. They must be fixed.<br />Spanish and French should be fixed this way, I don&#039;t know about German ones:<br /></p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>Manager de Liga<br />Monde des Bleus, Le: Le Jeu Officiel de l&#039;Equipe de France (Alt name: Monde des Bleus, Le: Le Jeu Officiel de l&#039;Équipe de France)<br />Tombi 2: Contra los Cerdiablos<br />Versalles: Complot en la Corte del Rey Sol</p></blockquote></div><p>F1ReB4LL, I understood it was copyrighted as any game title is copyrighted. I don&#039;t understand why you follow Mame which don&#039;t have a DB &lt;---&gt; rom real association but only a GUI where they put names (sometimes wrongly), instead of console releases where the name is always different.<br />We can put &quot;beatmania&quot; as Alt title, same for every IMO wrong title like this one <a href="http://redump.org/disc/6891/">http://redump.org/disc/6891/</a></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Rocknroms)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 23:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Why capitalization on spanish game titles?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Here we go again:</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>Manager: <a href="http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltConsulta?TIPO_BUS=3&amp;LEMA=manager">http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltConsult … MA=manager</a></p><p>Well, i don&#039;t want to start a flamewar in anyway. If the no-intro rules are the same for all the languages then it&#039;s ok.</p></blockquote></div><p>It has nothing to do with any flamewar, it is about &quot;clarification&quot; regarding which are the proper ways of do the job; and in this particular case, it is about the respectfully manner of following some predetermined set of rules, according to the naming standards that Redump.org adopted.</p><p>Now, I know the English word &quot;Manager&quot; was adopted as a loanword by the Spanish idiom and that according to the &quot;Real Academia Española&quot; the &quot;currently&quot; proper writing is &quot;Mánager&quot;, but as said by Rocknroms:</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>(...) has nothing to do with grammatic rules (...)</p></blockquote></div><p>That is the core point of all this, whatever be the proper writing rules according to the official conventions of each specific language, there is useless here.</p><p>Could you imagine the hypothetical situation under which all the names in the db have to be written following the particular languages&#039; rules of every idiom? </p><p>That&#039;s because there are common standards. </p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>The fact is i was just trying to help, and i was just pointing at some orthographic errors i found.</p></blockquote></div><p>The orthographic errors will be determined by the naming standards adopted by Redump.org, not by specific the writing rules of every idiom. </p><p>So, it would be good to know exactly which are the Redump.org&#039;s naming conventions.&nbsp; <img src="http://forum.redump.org/img/smilies/roll.png" width="15" height="15" alt="roll" /> </p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>But well i don&#039;t care anymore, you can capitalize the way you want but expect to see from time to time someone like me poking on the forums because some titles looks ugly at their native language.</p></blockquote></div><p>As I said before, I think the mods. and admins have to do their jobs according to certain &quot;standards&quot; and not &quot;the way they want to&quot;, because that&#039;s basically the aim of the standards.</p><p>Finally, I think every time somebody have to report something regarding a &quot;suspicious&quot; game title, alternate title,&nbsp; etc., they should have to do it only if they think there was a naming standards&#039; violation; and not because they thought a title looked &quot;ugly&quot;.</p><p>Regards.</p><p>P.D. </p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>So these titles at the database are correct, and all follow the No-Intro namig rules?:</p><p>007: Der Morgen stirbt nie<br />007: Die Welt ist nicht genug<br />Manager de liga<br />Monde des Bleus, Le: Le jeu officiel de l&#039;équipe de France<br />Tombi 2: Contra los cerdiablos<br />Versalles: Complot en la corte del Rey Sol</p></blockquote></div><p>If you follow the No-Intro&#039;s naming rules, I think those titles should be written like this:</p><p>007: Der Morgen Stirbt Nie<br />007: Die Welt Ist Nicht Genug<br />Manager de Liga<br />Monde des Bleus, Le: Le Jeu Officiel de l&#039;Equipe de France<br />Tombi 2: Contra los Cerdiablos<br />Versalles: Complot en la Corte del Rey Sol</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Rocknroms wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Devcon, I have already said it above: <strong>NO-INTRO RULES ARE THE SAME FOR ALL LANGUAGES</strong>, even in English those capitalized titles should look weird but this is the rule.</p></blockquote></div><p>So these titles at the database are correct, and all follow the No-Intro namig rules?:</p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>007: Der Morgen stirbt nie
007: Die Welt ist nicht genug
Manager de liga
Monde des Bleus, Le: Le jeu officiel de l&#039;équipe de France
Tombi 2: Contra los cerdiablos
Versalles: Complot en la corte del Rey Sol</code></pre></div>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Devcon)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Why capitalization on spanish game titles?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://maws.mameworld.info/maws/">http://maws.mameworld.info/maws/</a> -- all the arcade ones are &quot;beatmania&quot; and &quot;beatmania&quot; is really a TM.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>For example, beatmania is a trademark, it can&#039;t be written in any other form and definetely not as &quot;Beat Mania&quot;, like now.</p></blockquote></div><p>Obviously copyrighted stuff should be left as they are (LEGO, NiGHTS, etc.), but your example is quite wrong and out of contest because the guide talk about capitalization and not minimation, so at least it should be <strong>BeatMania</strong> (and most of times on cover it&#039;s written &quot;beat mania&quot;, so now what we are going to do?). Well, however if I remember well you want also Japanese titles in kanji, very usefull and rational <img src="http://forum.redump.org/img/smilies/tongue.png" width="15" height="15" alt="tongue" /></p><p>Devcon, I have already said it above: <strong>NO-INTRO RULES ARE THE SAME FOR ALL LANGUAGES</strong>, even in English those capitalized titles should look weird but this is the rule.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Rocknroms)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Then No-Intro rules + Spanish titles = Some weird Spanglish titles.</p><p>I&#039;m sorry to say that i don&#039;t like spanglish.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 14:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Why capitalization on spanish game titles?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>The guide is obsolete, No-Intro&#039;s convention has its own standard.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (F1ReB4LL)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 14:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Why capitalization on spanish game titles?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Manager: <a href="http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltConsulta?TIPO_BUS=3&amp;LEMA=manager">http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltConsult … MA=manager</a></p><p>Well, i don&#039;t want to start a flamewar in anyway. If the no-intro rules are the same for all the languages then it&#039;s ok.</p><p>The fact is i was just trying to help, and i was just pointing at some orthographic errors i found.</p><p>But well i don&#039;t care anymore, you can capitalize the way you want but expect to see from time to time someone like me poking on the forums because some titles looks ugly at their native language.</p><p>Regards.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Devcon)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Rocknroms wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>MacGruber, you are completely <strong>RIGHT</strong>!</p><p>I don&#039;t understand what&#039;s the meaning of this discussion and it&#039;s not the first time. I know also that admin, Fireball, has some weird thoughts.</p><p>Titles can be written in any way on covers, any language doesn&#039;t use capitalization, even English, unless for names of people, countries, istitutions and so on.<br />What we use it&#039;s simply a convention (not only no-intro, but this convention was used by anyone) and has nothing to do with grammatic rules: <span class="bbu"><strong>everything must be capitalized unless &quot;articles&quot;, some &quot;conjunctions&quot; and some &quot;prepositions&quot;</strong></span> ***</p></blockquote></div><div class="quotebox"><cite>No-Intro wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Some titles also have an unusual capitalization on purpose. <span class="bbu">In that case, capitalization should be left as intended.</span></p></blockquote></div><p>For example, <strong>beatmania</strong> is a trademark, it can&#039;t be written in any other form and definetely not as &quot;Beat Mania&quot;, like now.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 11:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>iR0b0t wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><strong>M00NLiGHT</strong> any advise to ^this^ title? &gt;&gt;&gt; Dragon Ball Z: La grande legende des Boules de Cristal ?</p></blockquote></div><p>La Grande Légende des Boules de Cristal is ok <img src="http://forum.redump.org/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /><br />Source: <a href="http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Ball_Z_Legends">http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Ball_Z_Legends</a></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 11:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Spanish is my primary language (Puerto Rico) and I thought those lowercase titles were fugly.&nbsp; I stand by MacGruber and Rocknroms.&nbsp; Using different naming conventions in the same database makes it look disorganized as heck.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (DJoneK)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 07:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>MacGruber, you are completely <strong>RIGHT</strong>!</p><p>I don&#039;t understand what&#039;s the meaning of this discussion and it&#039;s not the first time. I know also that admin, Fireball, has some weird thoughts.</p><p>Titles can be written in any way on covers, any language doesn&#039;t use capitalization, even English, unless for names of people, countries, istitutions and so on.<br />What we use it&#039;s simply a convention (not only no-intro, but this convention was used by anyone) and has nothing to do with grammatic rules: <span class="bbu"><strong>everything must be capitalized unless &quot;articles&quot;, some &quot;conjunctions&quot; and some &quot;prepositions&quot;</strong></span> ***</p><p>File generator contains only ASCII chars and it should be like this becouse of CONVENTION and because it could be a mess for people and/or programs that cannot handle other charsets. Titles with particoular chars can be set as &quot;Alternative titles&quot;</p><p>EDIT: *** I edit and add &quot;some&quot; because I don&#039;t know how all those were considered in English but Latin Languages don&#039;t make any difference.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Rocknroms)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 06:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>After reading carefully this topic, here I leave you my two cents:</p><p>Aren&#039;t Redump.org using the No-Intro&#039;s naming convention? Doesn&#039;t all the titles in the db have to respect the rules from that standard?</p><p>I mean, according to &quot;The Official No-Intro Convention (20071030)&quot;, in the &quot;2.1.3 Capitalization&quot; section says:</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p><strong>Generally all common names, adjectives and verbs should be uppercased.</strong> <br />Articles and link words should be lowercased except when first word. </p><p>Examples: Adventure of the Hero, Riding in a Car, Travel from Earth to the <br />Moon, From Earth..., Into the Darkness... </p><p>The official title written by the publisher or developer can be used as a <br />reference including related titles from other media (movie titles). Some titles <br />also have an unusual capitalization on purpose. In that case, capitalization <br />should be left as intended. </p><p>Example 1: RoboCop (= Roboter + Cop) <br />Example 2: Sonic The Hedgehog is all uppercase: &quot;The&quot; is his middle name, <br />not an article. </p><p>However titles that are entirely capitalized should be highly avoided except if <br />the title is an acronym!</p></blockquote></div><p>So, under these rules, these titles are indeed right written:</p><p>&quot;007 - El Mundo Nunca Es Suficiente (Spain)&quot;</p><p>&quot;Ciudad de los Niños Perdidos, La&quot;</p><p>Now, it will all depend of which naming standards are Redump.org&#039;s currently using.</p><p>But looking at Devcon&#039;s advices, it seems to be he wants that all the Spanish game titles in the db use the &quot;Real Academia Española&quot; rules, not the No-Intro&#039;s rules or whatever be the standard Redump.org is using.</p><p>Under that particular point of view, every game in the db that belongs to a non-english speaking country, should be written according to the specific and official idiom&#039;s rules of said countries, and not according to a certain Redump.org&#039;s predefined naming convention.</p><p>So, as I said, it will all depend of what naming convention do you use: the official&#039;s idioms conventions, the No-Intro convention, the MusicBrainz&#039;s convention, etc.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>The title says: Disney - El Planeta del Tesoro</p><p>I need to say the title is wrong capitalized, yes it&#039;s wrong writed on the media, the correct one is &quot;Disney: El planeta del tesoro&quot;</p></blockquote></div><p>How do you know they wrote it wrong? Did you know which are the standards they used?</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>Another title i found is incorrect: Manager de liga should be: Mánager de liga.</p></blockquote></div><p>Again, where did you found that name? Look at these pics:</p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/5624/managerdeligafrontalpor.jpg" alt="http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/5624/managerdeligafrontalpor.jpg" /></span></p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/9417/managerdeligacdporfrank.jpg" alt="http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/9417/managerdeligacdporfrank.jpg" /></span></p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/6350/managerdeligatraserapor.jpg" alt="http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/6350/managerdeligatraserapor.jpg" /></span></p><p>In those pics. weren&#039;t never mentioned the accentuated, loanword &quot;Mánager&quot;, contrarily the developers used the original English word. Moreover, according to No-Intro naming convention or the title itself, the right title should be:</p><p>&quot;Manager de Liga&quot;</p><p>And if you read the &quot;Real Academia Española&quot; rules, you will find that even under those rules, you can write the next game titles without any problems at all:</p><p>&quot;007 - El Mundo Nunca Es Suficiente (Spain)&quot;</p><p>&quot;Ciudad de los Niños Perdidos, La&quot;</p><p>&quot;Manager de Liga&quot;</p><p>&quot;Disney - El Planeta del Tesoro&quot;</p><p>The above titles are within these rules:</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>(...)</p><p>b) (...) Los nombres propios, títulos de obras, dicciones y aun cláusulas que se quiera hacer resaltar, pueden escribirse con todas sus letras mayúsculas; pero en cualquer voz en que se haya de emplear letra mayúscula con una o con diferentes minúsculas, aquella ha de ser la inicial o primera de la dicción. </p><p>c) Se escribirán con letra inicial mayúscula: </p><p>(...)</p><p>7.° Los nombres y adjetivos que entraren en el título de cualquier obra: Tratado de Esgrima; Ortografía Castellana; Historia de los Vándalos, etc. No se observa esta regla cuando el título es largo; v. gr.: Del rey abajo, ninguno, y labrador más honrado, García del Castañar.</p></blockquote></div><p>Regards.</p><p>P.D. Please don&#039;t take wrong any of my above comments, I&#039;m not pretending to be a smartass. I&#039;m just trying to help, as all the rest of members that make constructive critics.&nbsp; <img src="http://forum.redump.org/img/smilies/cool.png" width="15" height="15" alt="cool" /></p>]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>yes, i was just pointing to incorrection</p>]]></description>
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