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			<title><![CDATA[Re: PC Engine/dumping guide questions]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>On the Ys IV sample disc, track 1, all data from the start to 18735 (decimal) is zeroed. All data from 7063856 until the end is also zeroed.</p><p>By the way, track 1 is not the warning track commonly found in Japanese games. It&#039;s actually the English warning track found in US releases.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Li Wang)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 02:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: PC Engine/dumping guide questions]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>How do I do this?</p></blockquote></div><p>could you extract track that precedes data track (Track 01 usually) with IsoBuster and take a look at it with hex editor, please?<br />what does 1st and last data sectors (i mean those at the end, from 2nd part of gap) look like in there?<br /></p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>Should the pregap for track 1 be showing as 2 seconds in EAC?</p></blockquote></div><p>yes, usually<br />only a couple of Audio CDs had it different so far, i think<br /></p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>What is the swapping method?</p></blockquote></div><p>basically you prepare drive so cover can be removed freely, then place Audio CD in tray, let drive detect it,<br />wait until it stops spinning, without ejecting tray remove cover and replace Audio CD with one you are going to extract<br />and put cover back on, so drive still thinks its an CDDA and will process your CD this way - <br />as one continuous stream of audio data (so no gaps at all and it will allow to read as far as TOC of Audio CD goes)<br />it&#039;s described in more detail <a href="http://stc.hacking-cult.org/gd-rom_stuff/the_main_guide.html">here</a><br />except you don&#039;t need special Trap CD - any fairly large Audio CD should work<br />and extraction can be done with IsoBuster</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 05:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: PC Engine/dumping guide questions]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m trying to rip some retail discs to compare with entries in the database to make sure I&#039;m doing this right. I have a couple questions.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>themabus wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>edit:<br />ah, i forgot about data track pregap - usually drive won&#039;t be able to extract it correctly, <br />so unless you&#039;ll be doing swapping<br />you&#039;ll need to determine of exactly how many data and audio sectors it consist <br />(like when looking for negative offset) <br />and then recreate it with generic data and prepend to Track 02</p></blockquote></div><p>How do I do this?</p><p>Should the pregap for track 1 be showing as 2 seconds in EAC?</p><p>What is the swapping method?</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Li Wang)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: PC Engine/dumping guide questions]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>when EAC can&#039;t overread it often removes more data, than drive actually can&#039;t fetch<br />(i.e. more than those 40 bytes in this case)<br />on some drives this amount depends on whether Overread option is checked<br />it is an known issue with this program<br />so in this case, since audio is pretty close to track&#039;s end, actual data end up being removed by EAC</p><p>so, yeah, it should be this way - EAC&#039;s file is messed up<br />IsoBuster&#039;s is correct, once header is replaced with $00</p><p>about other drive - i guess it has exactly same or close offset <br />and EAC can&#039;t overread as well, not all drives report errors though</p><p>you could try to disable Overread and see what happens<br />but please don&#039;t leave this option that way, because generally you won&#039;t know when data was lost then<br />or leave it on for one drive and off for other, if you&#039;re going to use both<br />still on PCE offsets are pretty large sometimes, like 5 sectors or so - you won&#039;t be able to overpass those this way<br />so it&#039;s really better to be able to overread</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 04:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: PC Engine/dumping guide questions]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I see. The data I&#039;m getting from IsoBuster is actually very different at the end of the track. Instead of being all zeroes like with EAC, I&#039;m getting different data from 01CF2488:</p><p><a href="http://img397.imageshack.us/i/48072416.png/"><span class="postimg"><img src="http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/9558/48072416.png" alt="http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/9558/48072416.png" /></span></a></p><p>to 01CF492F:</p><p><a href="http://img60.imageshack.us/i/47021054.png/"><span class="postimg"><img src="http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/1387/47021054.png" alt="http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/1387/47021054.png" /></span></a></p><p>Why is this?</p><p>I have another drive I&#039;ll try with IsoBuster later. I dumped track 4 with EAC using that drive earlier and I got an identical file as with EAC with this drive. I didn&#039;t get any errors with EAC through that drive. It uses caching, though.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Li Wang)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 00:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: PC Engine/dumping guide questions]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>unfortunately it look like your drive can not overread at all<br />and IsoBuster inserts generic Mode1 sector there<br />you need only 40 bytes from that last sector though and since they&#039;re preceded with a lot of silence (0x00)<br />they&#039;re very likely to be just silence as well<br /></p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>Everything after 30364320 bytes should be trimmed, correct?</p></blockquote></div><p>yes, so you&#039;ll end up with header from 2nd pic at the very end,<br />please replace it with 0x00 since IsoBuster made this data up<br />and i guess what you&#039;ll get will match to EAC file then<br />so trouble for nothing basically<br />but anyway you know now that your drive does not overread into Lead-Out<br />so you&#039;ll generally have problems with positive combined offsets at least,<br />still if there is no other drive available it&#039;s possible to overcome this with swapping</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 13:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks. ISOBuster is indeed giving me a different rip of the file, but as you mentioned there may be a problem with the offset value and in ripping the file. With 40 bytes trimmed from the beginning, the beginning of the track matches the EAC file. At the end of the file there may still be a problem. IsoBuster tells me 55844 can&#039;t be read (seems normal) and with the default &quot;Replace with User Data All zeroes&quot; option the end of the file looks like this:</p><p><a href="http://img228.imageshack.us/i/track041.png/"><span class="postimg"><img src="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/9581/track041.th.png" alt="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/9581/track041.th.png" /></span></a></p><p>Is that actual data that&#039;s showing up at the end or filler data by IsoBuster? Everything else is zeroes.</p><p>The data that corresponds to the ending of the EAC track can be seen here:</p><p><a href="http://img86.imageshack.us/i/track042.png/"><span class="postimg"><img src="http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/5133/track042.th.png" alt="http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/5133/track042.th.png" /></span></a></p><p>Does this look right? Everything after 30364320 bytes should be trimmed, correct?</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Li Wang)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 07:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: PC Engine/dumping guide questions]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>this is usual EAC behavior for situations it can not get all data from CD<br />so it&#039;s either because this drive can not overread at all or EAC can not overread with this drive<br />you could try to take a look at the end of last track with IsoBuster&#039;s Sector View:<br />go to the last sector and then to the next one - if drive can read it then it&#039;s EAC problem <br />and so you should be able to extract this track as sector range: Extract From-To command<br />start and end LBA values will be preset in this dialog (42934; 55843)<br />increase either Length or End LBA by 1, hit Start Extraction and afterwards Cancel twice</p><p>since your offset with this drive appears to be 10 from those logs you posted<br />remove 10 samples (40 bytes) from the beginning of file you&#039;ll get (CD Segment.bin)<br />and (2352-40=2312) from the end<br />(btw this fragment you remove from the end should contain no data: all be 0x00, <br />otherwise offset value likely is wrong)<br />so final size should be 55843+1-42934=12910 sectors = 30364320 bytes<br />and so this is last track with corrected offset - it should match to one extracted with EAC <br />except former will have more meaningful bytes at the end, where it&#039;s all 0x00 already in EAC version</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 04:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>DJoneK: Yeah, I have the 64 bit version. I keep finding more reasons to wish I could have gotten this laptop loaded with XP or gone with 32. Blech. I&#039;ll try fiddling with Vista more tonight.</p><p>There&#039;s a new development with the dumping process that I didn&#039;t notice last night. EAC is giving me a sync error on track 4. Actually, it didn&#039;t occur last night since I had accidentally set a couple things incorrectly. Earlier I had not had the &quot;Overread into lead-in and lead-out&quot; option checked. When ripped with the option unchecked, EAC gives a track quality of 99.8% and does not report a sync error. When checked, the sync error is reported and the track quality is 92%. The files always come out byte for byte identical each time the track is ripped. Could this kind of thing be caused by a mastering error or some sort of junk data in the leadout rather than a surface defect? If it is a surface error, does the consistency of the data between different rips tell us that it&#039;s being compensated for correctly?</p><p><a href="http://www.mediafire.com/?2xnnelsgj2w">Overread log</a></p><p><a href="http://www.mediafire.com/?2mnr7zmhxnd">No overread log</a></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Li Wang)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 02:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Welcome.</p><p>I just wanted to let it be known that &quot;resize&quot; does work on Vista.&nbsp; Maybe it doesn&#039;t work on Vista 64 bit though.&nbsp; I have 32 bit Ultimate and it does indeed work on my end.&nbsp; <img src="http://forum.redump.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p><p>If you have Vista 32bit as well, try running the prompt as administrator or disable the whole UAC thingy.&nbsp; Most Vista problems are because of that crappy feature.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 00:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>hello Li Wang<br />it&#039;s great you decided to contribute to this project, so thank you very much</p><p>PCE CDs can be somewhat difficult to extract though unless you open up drive and do swapping<br />but i hope this won&#039;t be the case</p><p>to answer your questions:<br />1. offset value is not dependant on gaps in any way or vice versa, <br />gaps just happen to be place where it manifests<br />so once it is determined you would extract all tracks with same value<br />you can find offset for PCE CDs the same way as for the rest systems, <br />between Data-&gt;Audio tracks (when offset is positive) and also Audio-&gt;Data tracks (if it&#039;s negative)<br />so in this case you&#039;ll be looking at Track 02-&gt;03 gap at first as if they were Tracks 01 &amp; 02 from guide<br />if nothing is there, then likely offset is negative and you should examine Track 01-&gt;02 gap instead</p><p>negative offset is determined following way:<br />click Sector View on Data Track (02) - IsoBuster should position on it&#039;s 1st sector from TOC<br />e.g. 3596<br />go 150 (usually but in rare cases this value can be different) sectors back <br />e.g. to sector 3446 and there should be sense error instead of nulls <br />(or it could probabbly be data sector on some drives but either way it shouldn&#039;t be nulls)<br />(this is how you can determine value different from 150 for previous step)<br />go one more sector back and there should be scrambled data<br />so for example on my +6 LiteOn drive <a href="http://redump.org/disc/3994/">Tengai Makyou: Ziria</a> look this way:<br /><span class="postimg"><img src="http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/7348/ziria.png" alt="http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/7348/ziria.png" /></span><br />and math is:<br />$930-$278=$6b8=1720<br />-1720/4=-430<br />-430-DriveOffset=-430-6=-436<br />if whole 1st page would be full with scrambled data you&#039;d increase offset by -2352 or -$930 bytes, and so on</p><p>alternatively you could try Truman&#039;s excellent <a href="http://forum.redump.org/topic/2468/offset-detection-using-the-d8-read-command/">px_d8</a> program - it would really ease things a lot<br />but unfortunately most drives do not support this command<br />for LBA parameter any data sector can be given, <br />so 0 won&#039;t fit for PCE most of the time, but likely something around 4000 should</p><p>output for same CD on +30 Plextor:<br /></p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>Sector: 4000
MSF: 00:55:26
Combined offset: -1624 bytes / -406 samples</code></pre></div><p>-406-DriveOffset=-406-30=-436</p><p>so i would extract with -430 offset on one drive, with -406 on the other and submit -436 to db</p><p>also very often for Japanese PCE CDs 1st track is common one with CRC value b979500c<br />this is the case for commercial release of Ys IV currently in db<br />and by track size also could be true for your CD<br />so this could hint whether offset was determined right or not</p><p>2. yes, you&#039;re right - in IsoBuster&#039;s options default extension can be configured to be either .iso or .bin <br />and does not influence file content in any way, <br />so as long as you extract raw 2352 byte data - it shouldn&#039;t matter</p><p>3. yes, it should be fine</p><p>one proble you&#039;ll run into though: Track 03 pregap appears to be determined incorrectly by EAC<br />(which can happen quite often for PCE CDs)<br />so likely you&#039;ll need to cut it&#039;s 1st sector after extraction - <br />you should be able to tell this from file sizes and content of last Track 02 sector after 2sec gap is removed</p><p>edit:<br />ah, i forgot about data track pregap - usually drive won&#039;t be able to extract it correctly, <br />so unless you&#039;ll be doing swapping<br />you&#039;ll need to determine of exactly how many data and audio sectors it consist <br />(like when looking for negative offset) <br />and then recreate it with generic data and prepend to Track 02</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 22:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I have a couple questions about dumping a special PC Engine CD that I would like to contribute to the database and make available through the net. The title is a store demo version of Ys IV with various differences from the released game. I&#039;d like to get the most accurate rip possible, so I&#039;m using Redump standards.</p><p>I read through the PC Engine topics on the forum and it seems the exact format in how exactly to handle pregap information may still be under debate. I&#039;ve gotten some of the requisite strange numbers in experimenting with ripping this disc, so I&#039;d like some advice on how to get the most accurate rip possible.</p><p>1. I&#039;m not sure I quite understand offset value correction. With PC Engine CDs, is the offset value correction in EAC handled the same way as with other systems? Because track 1 is a music track, track 2 is a data track, and then track 3 is another music track with a different pregap value, do I need to rip the first music track with a different offset value correction than track 3? What about track 4, which has a pregap of 0?</p><p><a href="http://img530.imageshack.us/i/pcengine.png/"><span class="postimg"><img src="http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/6559/pcengine.th.png" alt="http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/6559/pcengine.th.png" /></span></a></p><p>2. The Redump PC Engine images I&#039;ve downloaded from Underground Gamer have had both the data tracks as .bin extensions rather than the standard .iso rips I&#039;m getting from Isobuster. Is there some sort of extra conversion process to .bin or do I just change the file extension?</p><p>3. I&#039;m running Vista, so I can&#039;t get Resize to run. Manually editing the file with a hex editor should provide the same result, correct?</p><p>Thanks in advance for any information or advice you can give me.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Li Wang)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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