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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Gothic and ProtectCD, need help, please]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>i found <a href="http://support.alcohol-soft.com/knowledgebase.php?postid=901&amp;title=Copying+protected+games">a short summary on alcohol site</a>, that describes this protection as combination of bad sectors + modified subchannel, so i guess, unfortunately we won&#039;t be able to add it to db for now.<br />but maybe you can find out something more about it and then define a way of how to get similar copies on different drives. (at least on a 2352 level)<br />so i guess TOC is valid. (at least this description doesn&#039;t say it isn&#039;t)<br /></p><div class="quotebox"><cite>BadSector wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>PS: has anyone tried to dump tracks using Alcohol 120%, i think if we dump track 01 using both Alcohol 120% and ISO Buster they will produce same result.</p></blockquote></div><div class="quotebox"><cite>iR0b0t wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The next step would be to read out 3rd and 4th tracks.<br />Can I get it simply from the whole image that I created with DDump, for cutting it?</p></blockquote></div><p>i guess it might work. so you could try to dump this cd on multiple drives with different software and then separate it by LBA addresses into tracks. <br />and by comparing them you&#039;d see what differs. if there are gaps - those would. and if there are audio data it would be offseted.<br />also maybe alcohol, clonecd or cdrwin and such will determine gaps and also you can try to examine .sub file with Subcode Analyzer (but not necessarily, maybe ther&#039;s some other software) after dumping with alcohol or clonecd or use CD Tool.<br />so if you remove gaps, realign audio tracks to compensate offsets, those files should always match in the end.<br />and also you could try to read this cd as an audio data stream like you&#039;d do for dc <br /><a href="http://forum.redump.org/viewtopic.php?id=2620">http://forum.redump.org/viewtopic.php?id=2620</a><br />a large audio cd should work to fake TOC. and this way it would be possibe to determine offset (where audio should start in your files). and audio-&gt;data gap (if there is one), when unscrambled, it should be clean and unmodified.<br />so even though it can not be added now, it&#039;s at least very interesting, i think, and a lots of experience <img src="http://forum.redump.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 19:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Gothic and ProtectCD, need help, please]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the second disc is VOB protected.<br />I have already dumped the whole disc with DDump in one image, it took some hours but i have it now.<br />And it works for me to, i can play it <img src="http://forum.redump.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p><p>But the thing is that we want to have it in separate tracks.<br />To dump the first and second track is no problem.<br />The 1st data track (the real one) has no errors, and the 1st audio track is one &quot;dummy&quot; track (filled with zeros only).<br />Protected are the 2nd audio and the 2nd data tracks.</p><p>Using EAC I got follows:</p><p>Title&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Track&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Start&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Length&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Gap&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Size&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Compr. Size&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Read CRC&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Test CRC&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; CRC&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Pre-Emphasis<br />Track01&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;01&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;0:00:00.00&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 1:12:39.39&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Unknown&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 733.39 MB&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;733.30 MB&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;No<br />Track02&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;02&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;1:12:39.39&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 0:00:01.00&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Unknown&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;0.16 MB&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;0.16 MB&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;769282BB&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 769282BB&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;OK&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; No<br />Track03&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;03&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;1:12:40.39&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 0:00:04.00&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Unknown&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;0.67 MB&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;0.67 MB&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;768732C8&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 768732C8&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;OK&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; No<br />Track04&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;04&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;1:12:44.39&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 0:00:42.00&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Unknown&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;7.06 MB&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;7.06 MB&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;No</p><p>You can not detect gaps because 2 last tracks are protected.<br />But using IsoBuster I found 2 seconds gap for the 2nd track.</p><p>0000 : 13 64 0D EB 45 8F 73 24&nbsp; 25 DB 5B 1B 7B 4B 63 77&nbsp; &nbsp;.d..E.s$%.[.{Kcw<br />0010 : 69 E6 AE CA FC 57 01 FE&nbsp; 80 40 60 30 4C D2 C8 D9&nbsp; &nbsp;i....W...@`0L...<br />0020 : 48 64 36 AB 56 FF 7E C0&nbsp; 7C 7E C3 C9 0A 91 C7 2C&nbsp; &nbsp;Hd6.V.~.|~.....,<br />0030 : 52 9D FD A9 81 BE E0 70&nbsp; 48 24 36 9B 56 EB 7E CF&nbsp; &nbsp;R......pH$6.V.~.<br />0040 : 60 54 28 3F 5E 90 38 6C&nbsp; 12 AD CD BD 95 B1 AF 34&nbsp; &nbsp;`T(?^.8l.......4<br />0050 : 7C 17 61 CE A8 54 7E BF&nbsp; 60 70 28 24 1E 9B 48 6B&nbsp; &nbsp;|.a..T~.`p($..Hk<br />0060 : 76 AF 66 FC 2A C1 DF 10&nbsp; 58 0C 3A 85 D3 23 1D D9&nbsp; &nbsp;v.f.*...X.:..#..<br />0070 : C9 9A 7A BC 79 35 48 54&nbsp; 36 BF 56 F0 3E C4 3E 44&nbsp; &nbsp;..z.y5HT6.V.&gt;.&gt;D<br />0080 : AF C9 F5 D1 87 1C 62 89&nbsp; E9 A6 CE FA D4 43 1F 71&nbsp; &nbsp;......b......C.q<br />0090 : C8 24 56 9B 7E EB 60 4F&nbsp; 68 34 2E 97 5C 6E B9 EC&nbsp; &nbsp;.$V.~.`Oh4..\n..<br />00A0 : 72 CD E5 95 8B 2F 27 5C&nbsp; 1A B9 CB 32 D7 55 9E BF&nbsp; &nbsp;r..../&#039;\...2.U..<br />00B0 : 28 70 1E A4 08 7B 46 A3&nbsp; 72 F9 E5 82 CB 21 97 58&nbsp; &nbsp;(p...{F.r....!.X<br />00C0 : 6E BA AC 73 3D E5 D1 8B&nbsp; D4 F6 F8 46 B6 CF 36 D4&nbsp; &nbsp;n..s=......F..6.<br />00D0 : 16 DF 4E D8 EB BB 97 7B&nbsp; 2E A3 5C 79 F9 E2 C2 C9&nbsp; &nbsp;..N....{..\y....<br />00E0 : 91 96 EC 6E CD EC 55 8D&nbsp; FF 25 58 35 59 A1 E1 2E&nbsp; &nbsp;...n..U..%X5Y...<br />00F0 : 62 2F A3 21 B9 D8 72 DA&nbsp; A5 9B 3B 2B 53 5F 7D F8&nbsp; &nbsp;b/.!..r...;+S_}.<br />0100 : 21 82 B5 04 53 AA 74 B8&nbsp; 0D C8 78 0C 22 85 D9 A3&nbsp; &nbsp;!...S.t...x.&quot;...<br />0110 : 1A F9 CB 02 D7 41 9E B0&nbsp; 68 74 2E A7 5C 7A B7 9B&nbsp; &nbsp;.....A..ht..\z..<br />0120 : 48 5F 71 44 0F 12 D8 1C&nbsp; 5A 89 FB 26 C3 5A D1 FB&nbsp; &nbsp;H_qD....Z..&amp;.Z..<br />0130 : 1C 43 49 F1 F6 C4 B0 43&nbsp; 34 05 F8 09 00 00 00 00&nbsp; &nbsp;.CI....C4.......<br />0140 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00&nbsp; 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00&nbsp; &nbsp;................<br />0150 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00&nbsp; 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00&nbsp; &nbsp;................<br />0160 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00&nbsp; 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00&nbsp; &nbsp;................</p><p>read offset is for me +667 and write offset is 0, but it is useless in this case.</p><p>Track01 can I get with IsoBuster.<br />Track02 CRC is identical with 1 second (176400) dummy file.<br />So, I simply resized data track (-352800) and added 2 secs to the dummy track!</p><p>The next step would be to read out 3rd and 4th tracks.<br />Can I get it simply from the whole image that I created with DDump, for cutting it?<br />I believe, they are pregapless...</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 10:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Gothic and ProtectCD, need help, please]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t know much about it but from what i read, it seems the Protection is at the end of the CD. which can also mean that track 4 (Data Track) contain the Protection, so maybe for now we dumped the first three track using ISO buster/EAC and then dumped the fourth one with Alcohol 120% as it seems it was able to copy the protection.</p><p>PS: has anyone tried to dump tracks using Alcohol 120%, i think if we dump track 01 using both Alcohol 120% and ISO Buster they will produce same result.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 06:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>thank you very much</p><p>about Gothic, i googled up some information on it:<br /><a href="http://fileforums.com/showthread.php?t=20762">http://fileforums.com/showthread.php?t=20762</a><br /><a href="http://www.cdmediaworld.com/hardware/cdrom/cd_protections_protectcd.shtml">http://www.cdmediaworld.com/hardware/cd … ctcd.shtml</a><br />it appears to be ProtectCD, but how to deal with it, i&#039;m sorry,&nbsp; i don&#039;t really know<br />2 very old safedisc cds is all i have seen on pc, i hope that maybe somebody else can help you there<br />but it could be that it&#039;s not even possible to add such cd to a db in current state</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 20:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>themabus wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>1st and 2nd cd is mode1, but 3rd mode2? is it correct?<br />i also removed &#039;Original&#039; because it&#039;s 1.27 and for some reason only a few PC games currently have this tag, i&#039;m sorry if it was wrong.</p></blockquote></div><p>- It&#039;s right themabus, 1st and 2nd discs are MODE1 and 3rd disc is MODE2 !!! Yes I know, it&#039;s unusual, but it is a fact <img src="http://forum.redump.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p><p>- I have the original packaging, and it looks like &quot;original&quot;, has no other notes, but &quot;First Edition&quot; it is not, that&#039;s sure, so much I know!</p><br /><p>***<br />I have some problems coping Gothic (Disc 2), the first disc is already done, <br />but second disc has 4 tracks (1 data, 2 audio and still data track as number 4).<br />Can You help me with that?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>1st and 2nd cd is mode1, but 3rd mode2? is it correct?<br />i also removed &#039;Original&#039; because it&#039;s 1.27 and for some reason only a few PC games currently have this tag, i&#039;m sorry if it was wrong.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 15:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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