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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Perfectrip?]]></title>
			<link>http://forum.redump.org/post/4209/#p4209</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>so who has this copy of perfectrip i wouldnt mind trying it <img src="http://forum.redump.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (ps2gamer2k7)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Perfectrip?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>mmm... i guess then ther&#039;s more to that. i&#039;ve checked what&#039;s missing at the end on both drives that don&#039;t overread into lo and:<br /></p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>      SAMPLES CUT
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|dirve|  disc offset    |
|off  |+0032|+0970|+1803|
|set  +-----+-----+-----|
|-0024|08240|10942|10011|
|+1828|08328|11030|10099|
|-----+-----+-----+-----|
|diff.|00088|00088|00088|
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			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (themabus)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Perfectrip?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>themabus wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>in EAC, under Drive Options menu click &#039;Detect read sample offset correction&#039;. and also when you read last autdio track with somewhat large positive offset, EAC will give error at the very end if drive does not overread in lead-out area.</p></blockquote></div><p>I&#039;ve had the error you mentioned only on my drive that has a large read offset (-677 EAC) but on all other drives that don&#039;t overread it doesn&#039;t give me any error.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Haldrie)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Perfectrip?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>oh, ok! <img src="http://forum.redump.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (themabus)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 14:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Perfectrip?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>themabus, gigadeath you lucky <img src="http://forum.redump.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /><br /></p><div class="quotebox"><cite>themabus wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>p_star, could you please explain more on this? did you mean if drive does not overread?</p></blockquote></div><p>Yes, it I also wished to tell:) <br />Though I am not assured completely. At me never was a drive with overread.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 14:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Perfectrip?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Never had errors on last track...</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (gigadeath)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 09:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Perfectrip?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>in EAC, under Drive Options menu click &#039;Detect read sample offset correction&#039;. and also when you read last autdio track with somewhat large positive offset, EAC will give error at the very end if drive does not overread in lead-out area.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (themabus)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 05:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Perfectrip?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>How can I see if the drive does the overread or not? I have that option always checked in EAC (as you can see in the EAC logs I posted).</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (gigadeath)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 20:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Perfectrip?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>mmmm now neither do i <img src="http://forum.redump.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /> i can&#039;t see last few sectors on LH-18A1H, it&#039;s true since it does not overread but on PREMIUM ther&#039;s data until last half of sector in Gambler Jiko Chuushinha 2 (+1823). and we match crc on different drives, so it should be right, shouldn&#039;t it? p_star, could you please explain more on this? did you mean if drive does not overread?</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (themabus)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 20:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Perfectrip?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>p_star wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>By the way, all that who copies the Japanese disks for SS and MCD I urgently would recommend to check correctness of last audio&nbsp; track as at offset equal 1000 + the probability of loss data in last sectors of last audiotrack is great.<br />For an example. From 20 disks for SS which I have copied, only at pair last audiotrack on a drive with offset +6 (EAC) was correctly copied.<br />I should use other drive with offest equal -1164 to extinguish huge positive offset the Japanese disks.<br />Forgive my English <img src="http://forum.redump.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p></blockquote></div><p>Forgive me, but I still haven&#039;t understood if a drive with +6/-24 offset can dump correctly or not. I got the same CRCs as Themabus with a drive like that.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (gigadeath)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 19:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Perfectrip?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>By the way, all that who copies the Japanese disks for SS and MCD I urgently would recommend to check correctness of last audio&nbsp; track as at offset equal 1000 + the probability of loss data in last sectors of last audiotrack is great.<br />For an example. From 20 disks for SS which I have copied, only at pair last audiotrack on a drive with offset +6 (EAC) was correctly copied.<br />I should use other drive with offest equal -1164 to extinguish huge positive offset the Japanese disks.<br />Forgive my English <img src="http://forum.redump.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (p_star)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 16:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Perfectrip?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>no, i&#039;m not oposing what Vigi said. if he says Sony 100E or 120E are good, they must be <img src="http://forum.redump.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /> just that i thought the same. i thought i won&#039;t be able to read much audio cds with +6 offset drive because only cd that were in db and that i had was -617 and i could not read it. and i got myself Asus CD-S500/A (+1858). very cheap from ebay. and with that i could dump that European demo disc with -617 offset. but after that all cds i read were +32 or even larger positive offset. and thing is with positive offset that last audio track gets bytes pushed out to lead out. and judging from gigadeath&#039;s, p_star&#039;s and batleth92 Sega dumps that&#039;s far more often than negative offset. so just don&#039;t worry, it&#039;s lucky you have a Plextor <img src="http://forum.redump.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /> , don&#039;t throw it away just yet. but maybe since i guess you have European region cds, maybe they do have negative offset. to recommend anything - i don&#039;t have that experience. there was thread like this, where admins commented: <br /><a href="http://forum.redump.org/viewtopic.php?id=641">http://forum.redump.org/viewtopic.php?id=641</a></p><p>i can only add to that brief summary about my drives:</p><p>Asus CD-S500/A (+1858 ;-30=1828)<br />+read negative offset audio<br />+very fast audio extract<br />-doesn&#039;t overread in leadout<br />-is rom not rw and can&#039;t read subchannel<br />-screws up data tracks so good for audio only</p><p>Plextor CD-R PREMIUM (+30 ;-30=0)<br />+overread lead-out<br />+somewhat fast audio extract<br />+read subchannel<br />-can&#039;t see far in pregap</p><p>Lite-On DVDRW LH-18A1H HL07 (+6; -30=-24)<br />+read subchannel<br />-can&#039;t see far in pregap at all<br />-can&#039;t see in lead-out<br />~most slow read but most precise</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (themabus)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 13:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Perfectrip?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>My LG CD-Rom drive is a few years old, with an AccurateRip offset of +6 (-24), and my dumps perfectly matched those of Themabus:</p><p>Would a drive with bigger offset &quot;dump better&quot;? Sounds strange to me.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (gigadeath)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 11:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>themabus wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>xenogears wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I really need them in order to dump Sega CD games and even Saturn, PC Engine games.</p></blockquote></div><p>most sega games from db have huge offset but it&#039;s positive. large offset drive +pregap overread is for negative offset games. for positive on contrary it&#039;s better to have lead out overread (it&#039;s somewhat rare but most plextors do that). but maybe it&#039;s region specific like most negative offset psx games seems to come from Europe region. majority dumped sega discs are Japanese.</p></blockquote></div><p>I still have to work on the Sega games, my previous experiments were PSX only.<br />Say, themabus, which drives can you advise for each type of disc? I will trade my PX-800A for 760A for the 100b subchannel reading but still the reading offset is not enough (I think, Accuraterip lists +30)<br />If I can find them cheap enough I could buy 2 more drives.<br />Advices needed before I spend my money!</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (xenogears)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 11:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>xenogears wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I really need them in order to dump Sega CD games and even Saturn, PC Engine games.</p></blockquote></div><p>most sega games from db have huge offset but it&#039;s positive. large offset drive +pregap overread is for negative offset games. for positive on contrary it&#039;s better to have lead out overread (it&#039;s somewhat rare but most plextors do that). but maybe it&#039;s region specific like most negative offset psx games seems to come from Europe region. majority dumped sega discs are Japanese.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 08:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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