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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Problem with Ridge Racer (Japan) dump]]></title>
			<link>http://forum.redump.org/post/54902/#p54902</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Subchannels don&#039;t have that great error correction schemes like 2352 data. I have CDs that look like they just came from factory but data on them is barely readable. I bet your CD is an example of poor quality master that has some unstable data in subchannels area + DIC might have a bug somewhere and incorrectly repairs the subchannel.</p><p>Subdump: <a href="http://forum.rawdump.net/viewtopic.php?id=13">http://forum.rawdump.net/viewtopic.php?id=13</a></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2017 22:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Problem with Ridge Racer (Japan) dump]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>F1ReB4LL wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>2 sectors could be either read worse than the rest due to some light scratch/dirt/dust</p></blockquote></div><p>I&#039;ve already said the entire game, every part of it, is mint condition :S Case, booklet, obi, disc; it looks like I removed it from the shrinkwrap myself.<br /></p><div class="quotebox"><cite>F1ReB4LL wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>or read properly, but&nbsp; incorrectly &quot;fixed&quot; afterwards by the old subchannels-fixing algorithm.</p></blockquote></div><p>An algorithm that incorrectly &quot;fixes&quot; pregaps... when it wants to? If it&#039;s an algorithm, why doesn&#039;t it happen all the time? If the program is coded to behave this way with pregaps between data and audio sessions (tracks 1&amp;2), then how do you explain that every other type of this CD I&#039;ve ever dumped with this version never did that? If this algorithm is coded to work this way and the dumps for those CDs came out correctly, then the Ridge Racer CD must have also turned out correctly, because that&#039;s the way this algorithm works.</p><br /><p>Anyway, I downloaded subdump, but have no idea how to use it. Does it want a disc, or does it want a file? And if so, which file? Do I give it a full image dump? And if so, which image? DIC creates multiple full image dumps, I believe 2 of them that are both the same size but have different file extensions.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2017 22:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Problem with Ridge Racer (Japan) dump]]></title>
			<link>http://forum.redump.org/post/54885/#p54885</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Egen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Is there something mystically different about the pregap on <strong>only Ridge Racer Japan discs</strong>? This &quot;bug somewhere&quot; <strong>only</strong> affected <strong>this</strong> multi-track, multi-session disc and not allllllll the others I&#039;ve done? It&#039;s hard to believe.</p></blockquote></div><p>Yes, why not? 2 sectors could be either read worse than the rest due to some light scratch/dirt/dust or read properly, but&nbsp; incorrectly &quot;fixed&quot; afterwards by the old subchannels-fixing algorithm.</p><p><a href="http://forum.redump.org/topic/14725/subdump/">http://forum.redump.org/topic/14725/subdump/</a> -- use this to dump the subs, clonecd and alcohol usually produce incorrect subs with certain sectors missing and certain sectors doubled. You can add the &quot;-quick&quot; parameter to make a &quot;fast&quot; copy without rereadings.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2017 10:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Problem with Ridge Racer (Japan) dump]]></title>
			<link>http://forum.redump.org/post/54882/#p54882</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Where can I get CloneCD?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2017 01:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Problem with Ridge Racer (Japan) dump]]></title>
			<link>http://forum.redump.org/post/54880/#p54880</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Could you post here a sub file made with another tool: CloneCD or Alcohol. I want to see what&#039;s in the subs...</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2017 21:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Problem with Ridge Racer (Japan) dump]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Why should those be audio? Also, when I ripped the disc with that program, like I explained, I was using a newer build than anybody before me could have used. So why would their build, which was older than mine, work &quot;correctly&quot; while mine would have to be updated much further than theirs possibly could have been? Something&#039;s not adding up here. It also doesn&#039;t add up that it only occurred with this disc out of a countless amount of discs that I used this same version to rip. Is there something mystically different about the pregap on <strong>only Ridge Racer Japan discs</strong>? This &quot;bug somewhere&quot; <strong>only</strong> affected <strong>this</strong> multi-track, multi-session disc and not allllllll the others I&#039;ve done? It&#039;s hard to believe.</p><br /><p>I&#039;m not trying to be difficult or argumentative and I apologize if I am, I just really don&#039;t understand. I don&#039;t want to get results and not understand them, or else I&#039;m just doing what I&#039;m told and not knowing if it&#039;s a good rip or not. This. Just. Doesn&#039;t. Make. Sense.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2017 21:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Problem with Ridge Racer (Japan) dump]]></title>
			<link>http://forum.redump.org/post/54877/#p54877</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>LBA[001559, 0x00617],&nbsp; Data,&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Copy NG,&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Track[01], Idx[01], RelTime[00:20:59], AbsTime[00:22:59], RtoW[Zero, Zero, Zero, Zero]<br />LBA[001560, 0x00618],&nbsp; Data,&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Copy NG,&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Track[01], Idx[01], RelTime[00:20:60], AbsTime[00:22:60], RtoW[Zero, Zero, Zero, Zero]</p><p>Should be audio, not data. That explains shifted tracks. There must be a bug somewhere. Always use the newest build...</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2017 18:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Problem with Ridge Racer (Japan) dump]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Okay, here&#039;s the image_sub.txt log from the old rip. I have no idea what I&#039;m looking at when I see it. I compressed it using 7-Zip 16.04.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2017 18:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Problem with Ridge Racer (Japan) dump]]></title>
			<link>http://forum.redump.org/post/54870/#p54870</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Post image_sub.txt somewhere. It compresses well, maybe it would fit in attachment.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2017 11:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Problem with Ridge Racer (Japan) dump]]></title>
			<link>http://forum.redump.org/post/54869/#p54869</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Uhhhh, okay... you said yourself &quot;<strong>The version 2015</strong> you used may exist a bug about subchannel, <strong>but I don&#039;t know because I don&#039;t see the log</strong>&quot; so... what was that about if you don&#039;t support it? XD</p><br /><p>And even at that rate, it&#039;s an incredibly bizarre bug because it only happened on one multi-track CD in the history of my CD dumping years, which has seen quite a few CDs, so... *shrug*</p><br /><p>To be honest, this has kind of left me wondering if the results I got this time are more &quot;correct&quot; than my previous results. I mean, honestly, that version never went wrong with <em>anything</em> and it was a newer version than anybody who did the rips before me could have used. So, why should I believe these results over the ones I got with a version that had proven itself 100% reliable over years of usage? That version wasn&#039;t spitting out random results—I got the same exact results over two passes of ripping the same CD, so... =/ it just seems kinda weird to me.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2017 08:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Problem with Ridge Racer (Japan) dump]]></title>
			<link>http://forum.redump.org/post/54868/#p54868</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>No need the log. I don&#039;t support the old version.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2017 08:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Problem with Ridge Racer (Japan) dump]]></title>
			<link>http://forum.redump.org/post/54867/#p54867</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Which log do you need? The image_sub log? I looked at it, and if I looked at the correct one, it&#039;s exactly 184568 lines of repeating text that looks like</p><p>LBA[184567, 0x2d0f7], Audio, 2ch, Copy NG, Pre-emphasis No, Track[13], Idx[01], RelTime[02:28:63], AbsTime[41:02:67], RtoW[Zero, Zero, Zero, Zero]</p><p>Various things will change, but it&#039;s <strong>always</strong> [Zero, Zero, Zero, Zero]. I know because I did Replace to that, and every single line ended up with nothing left in that area. It&#039;s 26.0MB so I can&#039;t really paste it here, I don&#039;t think. Assuming I&#039;m looking at the correct log though, do you want me to upload it as a txt file or something? I still have the one from the dumps done with the old DIC.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2017 06:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Problem with Ridge Racer (Japan) dump]]></title>
			<link>http://forum.redump.org/post/54865/#p54865</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>1. 1st dumper probably used isobuster and eac, but I don&#039;t know what tools are used by 3 dumper.<br />2. The version 2015 you used may exist a bug about subchannel, but I don&#039;t know because I don&#039;t see the log.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2017 06:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Problem with Ridge Racer (Japan) dump]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Ah, sarami, great, just the person I need to talk to... the plot TOTALLY THICKENS.</p><br /><p>I had another decent idea and I downloaded the newest version of DIC. Ripped the Ridge Racer disc with it and bam, my results match the database, first time. What bothered me, though, is that I was using a version of DIC that dated back to 2015. The Ridge Racer entry was created on Redump in 2008, and only last modified in 2014. That&#039;s a whole year before I got DIC, so it&#039;s impossible for anybody to have been using a version that was newer than mine. If that&#039;s the case... why would I need to update to get the same results as people using versions that could have only possibly been <strong>older</strong> than mine? Why would they get better results with older versions, yet I get the same results only when I get a newer one? The impossibility of it is rather mind-boggling.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2017 04:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Problem with Ridge Racer (Japan) dump]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Please&nbsp; check the subchannel file.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2017 03:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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