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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Subscribe.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Macarro]]></name>
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			<updated>2009-11-18T09:33:21Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: No-Intro naming]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I love the No-Intro naming but I&#039;d like to suggest a little change for multi-disc game names to improve it.</p><p>Today multi-disc games are named that way:<br /><strong><em>GameName</em> (<em>Region)</em> (Disk <em>DiskNumber</em>)</strong><br />eg : Final Fantasy VII (USA) (Disc 1)</p><p>I think it would be clearer if the total disc number was added to the name:<br /><strong><em>GameName</em> (<em>Region)</em> (Disk <em>DiskNumber</em> of <em>TotalDiscNumber</em>)</strong><br />eg : Final Fantasy VII (USA) (Disc 1 of 3)</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Powerpuff]]></name>
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			<updated>2009-09-10T12:31:51Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: No-Intro naming]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Jackal wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Because.. Rev is used when it&#039;s stamped on the actual chip.. we use the standard naming of v1.0 and v1.1.. that&#039;s also how gameshark sites etc. make the distinction.</p></blockquote></div><p>Yes, and I repeat, that all (or almost all) the Saturn CDs and at least Japanese Sega CD and 3DO discs have the revisions in their ringcodes.</p><p>Also, No-Intro guys aren&#039;t perfect in their conventions. <a href="http://blog.goo.ne.jp/ototo2006/c/9c953f3ca973a9a2ed61de5e25166cee">http://blog.goo.ne.jp/ototo2006/c/9c953 … 5e25166cee</a> -- look at the marks on pokemon yellow covers (GBC), clearly A, B, C, D letters (revisions), but their GBx dat uses 1.0/1.1/etc. version naming.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[F1ReB4LL]]></name>
				<uri>http://forum.redump.org/user/13/</uri>
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			<updated>2009-08-12T19:41:18Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: No-Intro naming]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>DJoneK wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Obviously.&nbsp; But, why is it v1.1 instead of say, v2.0?&nbsp; Or Rev B?&nbsp; It&#039;s a &quot;made up&quot; version number, not something visible on the discs themselves.&nbsp; I truly don&#039;t mind if it stays the way it is.&nbsp; I&#039;m just trying to give my humble opinion on the matter.&nbsp; In case anyone cares anyway. <img src="http://forum.redump.org/img/smilies/cool.png" width="15" height="15" alt="cool" /></p></blockquote></div><p>Actually DJoneK makes a good point I think. It makes sense to use version numbers for PS2 media because the version number is actually in the system.cnf file and physically stamped on carts, but using v1.0, v1.1, v2.0, Rev A etc... seems kinda arbitrary for PS1 media.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[layzee]]></name>
				<uri>http://forum.redump.org/user/9924/</uri>
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			<updated>2009-08-12T16:27:01Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: No-Intro naming]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Because.. Rev is used when it&#039;s stamped on the actual chip.. we use the standard naming of v1.0 and v1.1.. that&#039;s also how gameshark sites etc. make the distinction.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Jackal]]></name>
				<uri>http://forum.redump.org/user/8/</uri>
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			<updated>2009-07-19T07:34:12Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: No-Intro naming]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>iR0b0t wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>(v1.0) or&nbsp; (v1.1) can be indicated by time stamps</p></blockquote></div><p>Obviously.&nbsp; But, why is it v1.1 instead of say, v2.0?&nbsp; Or Rev B?&nbsp; It&#039;s a &quot;made up&quot; version number, not something visible on the discs themselves.&nbsp; I truly don&#039;t mind if it stays the way it is.&nbsp; I&#039;m just trying to give my humble opinion on the matter.&nbsp; In case anyone cares anyway. <img src="http://forum.redump.org/img/smilies/cool.png" width="15" height="15" alt="cool" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[DJoneK]]></name>
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			<updated>2009-07-18T23:05:28Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: No-Intro naming]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>(v1.0) or&nbsp; (v1.1) can be indicated by time stamps</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[iR0b0t]]></name>
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			<updated>2009-07-18T21:56:47Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: No-Intro naming]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I can only say, if there&#039;s no actual indication of a (v1.0) or a (v1.1) in the disc itself, it shouldn&#039;t be even used.&nbsp; Instead put the real difference between the two disc.&nbsp; Be it (Greatest Hits) or (GH) or whatever.&nbsp; If 2 discs are the exact same version (Original) and they somehow got different hashes for whatever unknown reason, THEN should the (v1.0), (v1.1) be used or even that hated &quot;(Alt)&quot; tag.</p><p>This is if the discs don&#039;t have a version somewhere in itself, like PS2 discs.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[DJoneK]]></name>
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			<updated>2009-07-18T21:22:48Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: No-Intro naming]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>This is the chaos that will be and why I don&#039;t agree with the change.</p></blockquote></div><p>well, anything is better than serials though<br /></p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>Who cares if Bonus CD is in a Limited Edition or not? It&#039;s archived in DB, what else do you need?</p></blockquote></div><p>like, what do you mean &#039;archived in DB&#039;?<br />as far as i know no miracle happens when you press &#039;submit&#039;<br />what does happen though is record gets added so other people can compare their CDs to this one<br />as if to the other physical medium<br />so it&#039;s basically db of hashes to provide people means to verify and index CDs of their own<br />so if relation or db record structure is not clear it&#039;s not functioning right, that&#039;s how i see it<br />like if this Bonus CD relate to whole set of editions, not just one, i&#039;d expect to find it there when i&#039;ll buy any of those<br />though it won&#039;t be most of the time<br /></p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>So why not adding even dates (please in this case insert also &quot;A.D.&quot;, it&#039;s more cool!), company and so on like tosec shit?</p></blockquote></div><p>because you&#039;re not being rational, Rocknroms<br />would this information be neccessary - provide additional characteristics, <br />it would be inserted, in this case in Additional flag<br />for example, if there would be <br />Tetris (Japan) &amp; Tetris (Japan)<br />by 2 different companies those records could look like:<br />Tetris (Japan) (Square) &amp; Tetris (Japan) (Enix)<br />ther&#039;s nothing wrong with that, imho<br />TOSEC covers <strong>a lot</strong> of system where sometimes such generic names collide - <br />so they have to use this very generalized naming<br />but we won&#039;t need it most likely<br />since ther&#039;s only one Alundra or Final Fantasy or Tekken<br />editions do merge currently though, that&#039;s what i&#039;m concerned about<br />and definitely i like &#039;EDC&#039; vs &#039;noEDC&#039;, &#039;ring1&#039; vs &#039;ring2&#039;, &#039;edition1&#039; vs &#039;edition2&#039;, etc. better<br />than synthetic &#039;v1.0&#039; vs &#039;v1.1&#039; or &#039;Alt&#039;</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[themabus]]></name>
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			<updated>2009-07-18T19:25:52Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: No-Intro naming]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Clap clap!</p><p>This is the chaos that will be and why I don&#039;t agree with the change. Who cares if Bonus CD is in a Limited Edition or not? It&#039;s archived in DB, what else do you need? So why not adding even dates (please in this case insert also &quot;A.D.&quot;, it&#039;s more cool!), company and so on like tosec shit?</p><p>Themabus, this oddity again?</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>so i think it would have to be:<br />NOeL - Not Digital (Japan) (Original, Special Edition) (Disc 1)<br />NOeL - Not Digital (Japan) (Original, Special Edition) (Disc 2)<br />NOeL - Not Digital (Japan) (Special Edition) (Bonus CD)<br />...</p></blockquote></div><p>And so we have to write a poem? Why not adding even the birth date of Publisher&#039;s dog as I said?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Rocknroms]]></name>
				<uri>http://forum.redump.org/user/4288/</uri>
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			<updated>2009-07-18T18:21:44Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: No-Intro naming]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>about those Bonus CDs / Editions<br />there were:<br />NOeL - La Neige (Japan) (v1.0) (Disc 1)<br />NOeL - La Neige (Japan) (v1.0) (Disc 2)<br />NOeL - La Neige (Japan) (v1.0) (Disc 3)<br />NOeL - La Neige (Japan) (v1.1) (Disc 1)<br />NOeL - La Neige (Japan) (v1.1) (Disc 2)<br />NOeL - La Neige (Japan) (v1.1) (Disc 3)<br />and <br />NOeL - La Neige (Bonus CD) (Japan)</p><p>which tells little, since v1.x is an artificial separator not related to any characteristics of medium - worst option, imho</p><p>i&#039;ve changed those to:<br />NOeL - La Neige (Japan) (Disc 1..3)<br />NOeL - La Neige (Japan) (Special Edition) (Disc 1..3)</p><p>NOeL - La Neige (Bonus CD) (Japan) comes only with Special Edition<br />so since it&#039;s last CD of this specific game from specific region &amp; specific edition<br />and (Bonus CD) is clearly an flag, not part of the title but first flag according to no-intro should be region<br />imho it would have to be:<br />NOeL - La Neige (Japan) (Special Edition) (Bonus CD) &lt;- this syntax is not possible in current db<br />or<br />NOeL - La Neige (Japan) (Special Edition) (Disc 4) &lt;- this is</p><p>also similar case to this is with Photo Genic, i just haven&#039;t added Special Edition yet</p><p>but then ther&#039;s also:<br />NOeL - Not Digital (Japan) (Disc 1)<br />NOeL - Not Digital (Japan) (Disc 2)<br />NOeL - Not Digital (Bonus CD) (Japan)<br />again Bonus CD comes with Special Edition only this time game CDs of both editions match, so:<br />NOeL - Not Digital (Japan) (Disc 1)<br />NOeL - Not Digital (Japan) (Disc 2)<br />NOeL - Not Digital (Japan) (Special Edition) (Disc 3) &lt;- doesn&#039;t make much sense anymore, imho.</p><p>also ther&#039;s:<br />Dungeon Creator (Japan) (Disc 1)<br />Dungeon Creator (Japan) (Disc 2) (Memory Bank Disc)<br />it&#039;s Limited Edition, ther&#039;s also Original (not currently in DB) not having 2nd CD <br />and most likely it will match with CD1 of LE</p><p>so i think it would have to be:<br /><span style="color: green">NOeL - Not Digital (Japan) (Original, Special Edition) (Disc 1)<br />NOeL - Not Digital (Japan) (Original, Special Edition) (Disc 2)<br />NOeL - Not Digital (Japan) (Special Edition) (Bonus CD)</span><br />and<br /><span style="color: green">Dungeon Creator (Japan) (Original, Limited Edition)<br />Dungeon Creator (Japan) (Limited Edition) (Bonus CD) (Memory Bank Disc)</span><br />respectively</p><p>if (Disc X) flag would be used for bonus media, records like last one would mess up<br />it would seem like 2nd CD of Original exists but isn&#039;t dumped yet:<br />Dungeon Creator (Japan) (Original, Limited Edition) (Disc 1)<br />Dungeon Creator (Japan) (Limited Edition) (Disc 2) (Memory Bank Disc)</p><p>but as i mentioned this, in my opinion best syntax, is not currently possible<br />and generally squeezing everything in &#039;Version (datfile)&#039; field won&#039;t work imho</p><p>no-intro defines those flags:<br />Title (Region) (Languages) (Version) (Devstatus) (Additional)(Special) (License)<br />currently we use: <br />Region<br />Languages<br />Version<br />Devstatus (Demo, Promo, etc.)<br />Additional (Editions, Rings, Serials, etc.)<br />License (Unl - e.g. Game Guru is unlicensed silver)</p><p>curently &#039;Version (datfile)&#039; can hold only one of those flags at a time<br />so i&#039;d say sooner or later we&#039;ll run into problems, <br />and i think db needs structural changes to be able to handle no-intro at all<br />and of course it would be better if db would output those flags to .dat automatically (well, as much as possible)</p><p>edit:<br />btw we could drop &#039;CD&#039; from Bonus CD and go with just (Bonus), it would attain more general meaning then, <br />similar to (Demo), (Promo), etc.<br />and also we could add names for Bonus media in &#039;Disc title&#039; field, maybe <br />i.e. it would be:<br /><span style="color: green">NOeL - La Neige (Japan) (Special Edition) (Bonus) (Prelude)<br />Sentimental Journey (Japan) (Bonus) (Parallel Seasons)<br />Akumajou Dracula X - Gekka no Yasoukyoku (Japan) (Whatever Edition) (Bonus) (Music Collection)<br />Nostalgia 1907 (Japan) (Bonus) (In North Atlantic Sea)</span></p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[themabus]]></name>
				<uri>http://forum.redump.org/user/2174/</uri>
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			<updated>2009-07-18T15:26:50Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: No-Intro naming]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>initial versions such as v1.0 should not be visible in .dat, i guess<br /></p><div class="quotebox"><cite>The Official No-Intro Convention 2007-10-30 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>3.5 Version<br />Optional<br />This flag shows the version (vX.XX) or revision (Rev X) of the game. It is put in<br />parentheses. Revision is used instead of version when applicable. Numbers<br />and/or letters can be used depending on the system or program approach.<br />The flag is only added if the version/revision is greater than the initial release.<br />Source is usually ROM header or cartridge stamps.</p></blockquote></div><p>hopefully it can be done from db code instead of renaming every time</p><p>and (Demo) (Taikenban) should change to (Sample) i guess<br /></p><div class="quotebox"><cite>The Official No-Intro Convention 2007-10-30 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>3.6 Development and/or Commercial Status<br />The flag (Sample) is added to samples, demos, instore demos, etc.</p></blockquote></div><p>though (Demo) seems to be used a lot more often in no-intro .dats than (Sample) but definitely not (Taikenban)</p><p>also there are (Genteiban) and alike flags in no-intro .dats<br />i.e. &#039;Additional&#039; flag describing release or edition as i understand it<br />but they do only appear when those files are different<br />e.g.<br />&quot;Super Tetris 2 + Bombliss (Japan)&quot;<br />&quot;Super Tetris 2 + Bombliss (Japan) (Genteiban)&quot;<br />&quot;Super Tetris 2 + Bombliss (Japan) (Rev 1)&quot;<br />so for example instead of <br />&quot;King of Fighters &#039;96, The (Japan)&quot;<br />&quot;King of Fighters &#039;96, The (Japan) (Alt)&quot;<br />2nd one would have to be <br />&quot;King of Fighters &#039;96, The (Japan) (Doukonban)&quot;<br /></p><div class="quotebox"><cite>The Official No-Intro Convention 2007-10-30 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>3.7 Additional<br />Optional<br />This flag will be only added if it is required to differentiate between multiple<br />releases. It is put in parentheses. Additional information can be added here<br />(ex. Rumble Version, Doritos Promo)</p></blockquote></div><p>this does not apply well to redump.org though, since for example final &#039;Original&#039; edition can be similar to later one<br /><a href="http://redump.org/discs/system/psx/region/As/quicksearch/akumajou-dracula-x-gekka-no-yasoukyoku/">http://redump.org/discs/system/psx/regi … asoukyoku/</a><br /><a href="http://redump.org/discs/system/psx/region/As/quicksearch/ridge-revolution/">http://redump.org/discs/system/psx/regi … evolution/</a><br /><a href="http://redump.org/discs/system/psx/region/As/quicksearch/tekken/">http://redump.org/discs/system/psx/regi … ch/tekken/</a></p><p>also as it is now, relation with bonus media is unclear<br />for example:<br />&quot;Akumajou Dracula X - Gekka no Yasoukyoku (Bonus CD) (Japan)&quot;<br />&quot;NOeL - La Neige (Bonus CD) (Japan)&quot;<br />&quot;NOeL - Not Digital (Bonus CD) (Japan)&quot;<br />those do not come with all editions<br />(also &#039;Bonus CD&#039; doesn&#039;t hit any no-intro flags, btw, i don&#039;t know, maybe it should be moved to &#039;Special&#039;?)<br />would you add edition to those records only, like<br />&quot;NOeL - Not Digital (Bonus CD) (Japan) (Limited Edition)&quot;<br />they would stand out from actual game CDs, IMHO<br />&quot;NOeL - Not Digital (Japan) (Disc 1)&quot;<br />&quot;NOeL - Not Digital (Japan) (Disc 2)&quot;<br />since those have no editions at all</p><p>so i hope those editions are added later after all - it&#039;s the only way to fully describe record, imho</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[themabus]]></name>
				<uri>http://forum.redump.org/user/2174/</uri>
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			<updated>2009-07-09T09:13:21Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: No-Intro naming]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Please continue the discussion about the region and language tags in the general forum. Thanks</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Jackal]]></name>
				<uri>http://forum.redump.org/user/8/</uri>
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			<updated>2009-07-06T16:22:36Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: No-Intro naming]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Ouch tossEAC.&nbsp; You don&#039;t really have to redo the QuickPars if you don&#039;t want to.&nbsp; Of course, they wouldn&#039;t match the dumps 100% but at least they will match the hashes which is what&#039;s really important.&nbsp; After that you could just rename whatever you needed to recover. <img src="http://forum.redump.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p><p>Of course, it&#039;s always good to have everything 100%.&nbsp; But if I were you, I wouldn&#039;t make it a priority right now.&nbsp; Maybe leave it for when you have some free time or something.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[DJoneK]]></name>
				<uri>http://forum.redump.org/user/4656/</uri>
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			<updated>2009-07-06T09:50:14Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: No-Intro naming]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>How on earth are we going to rename everything, when most of it is in compressed format.</p><p>And all my PAR&#039;s are totally useless now as they use the old names.</p><p>I wouldn&#039;t have minded the switch if it was done along time ago, but to do it when we have 7000+ dumps, is a total nightmare. <img src="http://forum.redump.org/img/smilies/yikes.png" width="15" height="15" alt="yikes" /></p><p>Renaming for the next month was not on my agenda.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[tossEAC]]></name>
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			<updated>2009-07-06T08:27:26Z</updated>
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