<![CDATA[Redump Forum — Saturn Game (with 2 Data Tracks) How to Dump this game?]]> 2009-05-04T17:37:27Z PunBB http://forum.redump.org/topic/4478/saturn-game-with-2-data-tracks-how-to-dump-this-game/ <![CDATA[Re: Saturn Game (with 2 Data Tracks) How to Dump this game?]]> Rocknroms wrote:

But always check through Isobuster if data tracks are mode1 or mode2 (right click on track in the list and see proprieties.)

I will do this and submit my dumps.
Thanks for your help.
smile

]]> http://forum.redump.org/user/6778/ 2009-05-04T17:37:27Z http://forum.redump.org/post/17651/#p17651 <![CDATA[Re: Saturn Game (with 2 Data Tracks) How to Dump this game?]]> yes, right.

About this, example on first one

Christmas Nights into Dreams (E).sub wrote:
FILE "Track01.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 01 MODE?/2352
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "Track02.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 02 MODE?/2352
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00

Should be like this

Christmas Nights into Dreams (E).sub wrote:
FILE "Track01.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 01 MODE1/2352
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "Track02.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 02 MODE2/2352
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00

But always check through Isobuster if data tracks are mode1 or mode2 (right click on track in the list and see proprieties.)

]]> http://forum.redump.org/user/4288/ 2009-05-04T17:30:10Z http://forum.redump.org/post/17650/#p17650 <![CDATA[Re: Saturn Game (with 2 Data Tracks) How to Dump this game?]]> Christmas Nights into Dreams - Ring: 610-6438P-01130 C
Nights into Dreams (E) - Ring: MK-81020P-00749 A
Nights into Dreams (U) - Ring: JVC SATURN81048BRE P1H26

Christmas Nights into Dreams (E).sub wrote:

FILE "Track01.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 01 MODE?/2352
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "Track02.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 02 MODE?/2352
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track03.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 03 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
Etc

Remove -size=150sec "Track01.bin" "Track02.bin"
RESIZE -r -352800 "Track02.bin"


Nights into Dreams (E).sub wrote:

FILE "Track01.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 01 MODE?/2352
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "Track02.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 02 MODE?/2352
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track03.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 03 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
Etc

Remove -size=150sec "Track01.bin" "Track02.bin"
RESIZE -r -352800 "Track02.bin"

Nights into Dreams (U).sub wrote:

FILE "Track01.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 01 MODE?/2352
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "Track02.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 02 MODE?/2352
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:03:00
FILE "Track03.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 03 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
Etc

Remove -size=225sec "Track01.bin" "Track02.bin"
RESIZE -r -352800 "Track02.bin"

]]> http://forum.redump.org/user/6778/ 2009-05-04T17:19:22Z http://forum.redump.org/post/17649/#p17649 <![CDATA[Re: Saturn Game (with 2 Data Tracks) How to Dump this game?]]> F1ReB4LL wrote:

Better dump each of the first 2 datatracks as a sector range in isobuster. Subs are here, so it's easy to tell the proper ranges for the each one.

And what changes? Isobuster mods the tracks? Indeed, your way can create more mistakes because you have to count 0 as 1 and so on.

]]> http://forum.redump.org/user/4288/ 2009-05-04T15:36:26Z http://forum.redump.org/post/17648/#p17648 <![CDATA[Re: Saturn Game (with 2 Data Tracks) How to Dump this game?]]> Better dump each of the first 2 datatracks as a sector range in isobuster. Subs are here, so it's easy to tell the proper ranges for the each one.

]]> http://forum.redump.org/user/13/ 2009-05-04T14:47:54Z http://forum.redump.org/post/17647/#p17647 <![CDATA[Re: Saturn Game (with 2 Data Tracks) How to Dump this game?]]> dumper wrote:

Then I have used these commands to fix the gaps

"remove -size=150sec track01.bin trash.bin"
"psxt001z --gen pregap.bin 352800"
"copy /b pregap.bin+track02.bin new_track02.bin"

This is wrong as Fireball said.

In this case you have to dump the tracks with Isobuster as normal and then move bytes between the 2 tracks (here you have really to move data as it was said in the other post in patch section):

remove -size=pregap_leght_to_move "track 01.bin" "track_02.bin"

pregap_leght_to_move=pregap of track02

then you have to resize track02

]]> http://forum.redump.org/user/4288/ 2009-05-04T04:05:43Z http://forum.redump.org/post/17628/#p17628 <![CDATA[Re: Saturn Game (with 2 Data Tracks) How to Dump this game?]]> F1ReB4LL wrote:
Rocknroms wrote:

Half were at least dumped, but could be checked within bin-cues/etc. around.

They are always bad (CDRWin issue?). Girl Doll Toy #0601 release by Darkwater -- 00:03:00 instead of 00:06:00; same for dozens of VFCG Vol.04: Pai Chan dumps floating around, so I don't believe them.

I mean "identify games with 2 data tracks" and not "identify lenght of pregap", it has to be implicit I know those were wrong after dumping around 200 discs and converting around 300.
All bad dumps around at least don't mismatch data with audio.
I Repeat: after dumping half or more discs with 2 data tracks ---> the common pregap is 3.00 seconds, but obviously it could be also different.

]]> http://forum.redump.org/user/4288/ 2009-05-04T03:53:07Z http://forum.redump.org/post/17626/#p17626 <![CDATA[Re: Saturn Game (with 2 Data Tracks) How to Dump this game?]]> Rocknroms wrote:

Half were at least dumped, but could be checked within bin-cues/etc. around.

They are always bad (CDRWin issue?). Girl Doll Toy #0601 release by Darkwater -- 00:03:00 instead of 00:06:00; same for dozens of VFCG Vol.04: Pai Chan dumps floating around, so I don't believe them.

]]> http://forum.redump.org/user/13/ 2009-05-04T03:29:07Z http://forum.redump.org/post/17625/#p17625 <![CDATA[Re: Saturn Game (with 2 Data Tracks) How to Dump this game?]]> F1ReB4LL wrote:
Rocknroms wrote:

Yes, but normally is 3.00, or not?

More dumps needed to figure it out.

How many 2 data tracks SS games do you think were produced? Half were at least dumped, but could be checked within bin-cues/etc. around. You need to dump it all to say that normally it's 3.00? And exceptions are a matter of fact otherwise I will say that "is always 3.00".

]]> http://forum.redump.org/user/4288/ 2009-05-03T22:56:55Z http://forum.redump.org/post/17622/#p17622 <![CDATA[Re: Saturn Game (with 2 Data Tracks) How to Dump this game?]]> Rocknroms wrote:

Yes, but normally is 3.00, or not?

More dumps needed to figure it out.

]]> http://forum.redump.org/user/13/ 2009-05-03T21:15:27Z http://forum.redump.org/post/17621/#p17621 <![CDATA[Re: Saturn Game (with 2 Data Tracks) How to Dump this game?]]> I noticed everything above, so it's better to wait for a guide for new dumps. I'm working on it.

F1ReB4LL wrote:
Rocknroms wrote:

Normally gaps between the 2 data tracks is 3.00 (but could be also 2.00 or 4.00), 1 sector of mode1/2352 and 2 sectors of mode2/2352; take a sub and post it so we can check.

Gaps can be any, http://redump.org/disc/5255/ -- 6.00, http://redump.org/disc/3283/ -- 8.00.

Yes, but normally is 3.00, or not?

]]> http://forum.redump.org/user/4288/ 2009-05-03T18:42:20Z http://forum.redump.org/post/17615/#p17615 <![CDATA[Re: Saturn Game (with 2 Data Tracks) How to Dump this game?]]> Christmas Nights into Dreams (E).sub wrote:

FILE "Track01.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 01 MODE?/2352
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "Track02.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 02 MODE?/2352
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track03.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 03 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track04.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 04 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track05.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 05 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track06.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 06 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track07.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 07 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track08.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 08 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track09.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 09 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track10.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 10 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track11.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 11 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track12.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 12 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track13.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 13 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track14.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 14 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track15.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 15 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track16.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 16 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track17.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 17 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track18.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 18 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track19.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 19 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track20.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 20 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00

Nights into Dreams (E).sub wrote:

FILE "Track01.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 01 MODE?/2352
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "Track02.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 02 MODE?/2352
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track03.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 03 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track04.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 04 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track05.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 05 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track06.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 06 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track07.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 07 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track08.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 08 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track09.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 09 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track10.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 10 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track11.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 11 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track12.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 12 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track13.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 13 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track14.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 14 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track15.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 15 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track16.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 16 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track17.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 17 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track18.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 18 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track19.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 19 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track20.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 20 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track21.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 21 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00

Nights into Dreams (U).sub wrote:

FILE "Track01.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 01 MODE?/2352
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "Track02.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 02 MODE?/2352
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:03:00
FILE "Track03.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 03 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track04.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 04 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track05.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 05 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track06.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 06 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track07.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 07 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:01:02
FILE "Track08.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 08 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:02
FILE "Track09.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 09 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:02
FILE "Track10.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 10 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:02
FILE "Track11.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 11 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:02
FILE "Track12.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 12 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:02
FILE "Track13.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 13 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:02
FILE "Track14.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 14 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:02
FILE "Track15.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 15 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:02
FILE "Track16.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 16 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:02
FILE "Track17.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 17 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track18.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 18 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track19.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 19 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track20.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 20 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:00
FILE "Track21.bin" BINARY
  TRACK 21 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:02:02

---------------------------------------

dumper wrote:

Then I have used these commands to fix the gaps

"remove -size=150sec track01.bin trash.bin"
"psxt001z --gen pregap.bin 352800"
"copy /b pregap.bin+track02.bin new_track02.bin"

Heey, you can't do this, the gap between the datatracks isn't empty, you must dump it, not generate.

dumper wrote:

I am not very sure, because this website says:
www.toseciso.org/details.php?id=1575  -  scroll down

Track    Gap
01    00:02:00  -  Data Track
02    00:03:00  -  Data Track
03    00:02:00  -  Audio Track
04    00:02:00  -  Audio Track
Etc    00:02:00  -  Audio Track

This what I think is right after fixing the gaps:

Track    Gap
01    00:00:00  -  Data Track
02    00:02:00  -  Data Track
03    00:02:00  -  Audio Track
04    00:02:00  -  Audio Track
Etc    00:02:00  -  Audio Track

What's about the ringcode? Maybe there were different pressings?

]]> http://forum.redump.org/user/13/ 2009-05-03T18:38:24Z http://forum.redump.org/post/17614/#p17614 <![CDATA[Re: Saturn Game (with 2 Data Tracks) How to Dump this game?]]> Rocknroms wrote:

Normally gaps between the 2 data tracks is 3.00 (but could be also 2.00 or 4.00), 1 sector of mode1/2352 and 2 sectors of mode2/2352; take a sub and post it so we can check.

Gaps can be any, http://redump.org/disc/5255/ -- 6.00, http://redump.org/disc/3283/ -- 8.00.

]]> http://forum.redump.org/user/13/ 2009-05-03T18:16:12Z http://forum.redump.org/post/17612/#p17612 <![CDATA[Re: Saturn Game (with 2 Data Tracks) How to Dump this game?]]> http://www.sendspace.com/file/iiaxpe  -  Christmas Nights into Dreams (E)
http://www.sendspace.com/file/l3t087  -  Nights into Dreams (E)
http://www.sendspace.com/file/o8uj6c  -  Nights into Dreams (U)

]]> http://forum.redump.org/user/6778/ 2009-05-03T16:11:19Z http://forum.redump.org/post/17610/#p17610 <![CDATA[Re: Saturn Game (with 2 Data Tracks) How to Dump this game?]]> Within the next 48 hours I'll post a SS dumping guide so everything should be explained.

To get the right gaps of these games without a plextor and without PerfectRip, you have to check it manually with subs (taken with CloneCD only).
Normally gaps between the 2 data tracks is 3.00 (but could be also 2.00 or 4.00), 1 sector of mode1/2352 and 2 sectors of mode2/2352; take a sub and post it so we can check.

]]> http://forum.redump.org/user/4288/ 2009-05-03T00:15:10Z http://forum.redump.org/post/17580/#p17580