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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: which is correct? (PX-760A vs BW-16D1HT, PX-755A & PX-W4012A)]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>FMT Arquelphos, Eikan wa Kimi ni 3 and Rejection are also affected. Also, there are non-PX drives that give additional track hashes (not matching the ones from the drives mentioned above) without C2 errors, I don&#039;t know how to choose the correct hashes.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[F1ReB4LL]]></name>
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			<updated>2021-09-21T01:12:59Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: which is correct? (PX-760A vs BW-16D1HT, PX-755A & PX-W4012A)]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I have had a similar experience with dumping a PC disc on the PX-760A in the past. Unfortunately, I can&#039;t recall the game, but I had a disc that would report no C2 errors when dumped on the 760A, but it had 2-3 ECC/EDC errors when checking sectors after the rip was done. I later used a PX-716A to dump the same disc, and it was free of ECC/EDC errors (and, IIRC, it reported C2 errors in the spot where the ECC/EDC errors were present in the 760 dump, but DIC re-read successfully).</p><p>I think the C2 reporting on the PX-760A must have some limitations, and I wonder if there are certain data patterns that are problematic. I think it would be nice if DIC had an option to re-read in cases where there&#039;s no evidence the sector is protected (e.g., not part of a protected file and no 312 bit C2 errors or similar) but the ECC/EDC data doesn&#039;t match, because there are definitely instances where the 760 (and maybe other models of Plextor drives) will claim no C2 errors but still have errors. And, it&#039;s not just a &quot;rip it again and it&#039;ll work&quot; situation, either. I ripped that disc probably 4-5 times with the 760A, and it never had C2 errors, but it always had ECC/EDC errors. In contrast, the 716A reported C2 errors in the same spot (IIRC) and successfully re-read.</p><p>I guess this is kind of in-line with opinions on the 716 vs 760. Lots of people from back when the 760 came out claimed the 716 was a much better drive than the 760. However, it seems like the 716 drives have reliability problems. The 716 I used to dump the disc that the 760 failed to dump only works when it&#039;s feeling up to it. The rest of the time, it just goes into some kinda laser focusing frenzy and rattles the laser lens up and down like it&#039;s dancing. It happened to work fine to dump that disc, though.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2021-09-16T13:54:49Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: which is correct? (PX-760A vs BW-16D1HT, PX-755A & PX-W4012A)]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>added PX-W4012A logs to the first post.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[fuzzball]]></name>
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			<updated>2021-09-09T01:46:57Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: which is correct? (PX-760A vs BW-16D1HT, PX-755A & PX-W4012A)]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Heroes of Might and Magic IV issue was not solved.<br />The new PX-760A outputs the same result.<br />Edited the first post.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[fuzzball]]></name>
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			<updated>2021-08-11T14:57:57Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: which is correct? (PX-760A vs BW-16D1HT, PX-755A & PX-W4012A)]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The dumping by PX-755A matched BW-16D1HT.<br />It appears that the PX-760A has been broken.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>NovaAurora wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Have you tried dumping at a low speed on the Plextor? (4x-16x, varies)<br />Could also be the CD laser going bad on it, 7xx drives are known for that.</p></blockquote></div><p>It&#039;s probably a lifetime. I don&#039;t want to use an unstable drive, so I&#039;ll use a different drive.<br />Thanks for the advice.</p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>Disc load count: 6214
   CD read time: 1191:55:01
  CD write time: 00:10:58
  DVD read time: 407:01:29
 DVD write time: 20:19:28</code></pre></div>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[fuzzball]]></name>
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			<updated>2021-08-09T05:37:59Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: which is correct? (PX-760A vs BW-16D1HT, PX-755A & PX-W4012A)]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Have you tried dumping at a low speed on the Plextor? (4x-16x, varies)<br />Could also be the CD laser going bad on it, 7xx drives are known for that.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[NovaAurora]]></name>
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			<updated>2021-08-09T05:27:29Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: which is correct? (PX-760A vs BW-16D1HT, PX-755A & PX-W4012A)]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p><strong>*SOLVED*</strong></p><p>verifying [FMT] <a href="http://redump.org/disc/69778/">ElFish Lite (Japan)</a></p><p><span class="bbu">PX-760A</span><br />logs: <a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/e986a6owd2qwbtj">https://www.dropbox.com/s/e986a6owd2qwbtj</a><br />many C2 errors, can&#039;t dump<br /><span class="bbu"><br />BW-16D1HT</span> (use /mr)<br />logs: <a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/4r2lj5e6217tyn9">https://www.dropbox.com/s/4r2lj5e6217tyn9</a><br />no error, match db</p><p>Is my PX-760A broken?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[fuzzball]]></name>
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			<updated>2021-08-09T04:08:24Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[which is correct? (PX-760A vs BW-16D1HT, PX-755A & PX-W4012A)]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>verifying [PC] <a href="http://redump.org/disc/38804/">Heroes of Might and Magic IV (Europe) (Disc 1) (Sold Out Software)</a></p><p><span class="bbu">PX-760A</span><br />3 errors, crc:0f31dd28, no match db<br /></p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>PX-760A (old)<br /><a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/bk2404ety0yh05v">https://www.dropbox.com/s/bk2404ety0yh05v</a></p><p>PX-760A (new)<br /><a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/bedvvzqojwlxwmu">https://www.dropbox.com/s/bedvvzqojwlxwmu</a></p><p>PX-760A (new, 4x)<br /><a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/9x41f2ct5at0nnd">https://www.dropbox.com/s/9x41f2ct5at0nnd</a></p></blockquote></div><p><span class="bbu">BW-16D1HT, PX-755A &amp; PX-W4012A</span><br />no errors, crc:0402f131, match db<br /></p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>BW-16D1HT<br /><a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/lytwg4j2w89esx2">https://www.dropbox.com/s/lytwg4j2w89esx2</a></p><p>PX-755A<br /><a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/t1daweetzn80s9b">https://www.dropbox.com/s/t1daweetzn80s9b</a></p><p>PX-W4012A<br /><a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/00lq5x2zh3yiam4">https://www.dropbox.com/s/00lq5x2zh3yiam4</a></p></blockquote></div>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[fuzzball]]></name>
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			<updated>2021-08-04T11:13:44Z</updated>
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