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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Help me decide with a cd-reader please.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Jackal wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>but finding one can be difficult these days.</p></blockquote></div><p>Now I have bought one to the reserve, for less than 40 euros <img src="http://forum.redump.org/img/smilies/tongue.png" width="15" height="15" alt="tongue" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[iR0b0t]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-11-16T16:26:09Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Help me decide with a cd-reader please.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The PX760A works with the trap disc method and it can dump everything (gdrom, xbox, etc.. except for gc and wii hehe) <img src="http://forum.redump.org/img/smilies/cool.png" width="15" height="15" alt="cool" /></p><p>Some Lite-On models are also capable of gdroms (for instance I have a SOHD-167T which supports it), but they&#039;re nowhere near reliable and foolproof as the Plextor (the swapping often doesn&#039;t work or it doesn&#039;t read well.. the plextor has no such problems: just close the tray and it works).</p><p>With that said, the PX760A is propably the best drive for dumping out there (it supports overreading and you can use px_d8 to detect any write offset), but finding one can be difficult these days.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Jackal]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-11-13T19:29:38Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Help me decide with a cd-reader please.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Works with my NEC ND-1300A. Doesn&#039;t work on LG drives (at least, on those I&#039;ve tried) - their &#039;escape hole&#039; is connected with the eject button.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[F1ReB4LL]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-11-13T19:26:25Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Help me decide with a cd-reader please.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>There are a lot of drives where the trap disc method doesn&#039;t work. I have tried it with 5 different drives, and only one (my Plextor PX-708A) works. And I can&#039;t even use it to dump Dreamcast discs, just normal CDs.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[r09]]></name>
				<uri>http://forum.redump.org/user/4460/</uri>
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			<updated>2008-11-13T17:59:58Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Help me decide with a cd-reader please.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>iR0b0t wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>you should use a tool like startstop to speed up/down the drive to avoid damages on disc and drive <br />***just edit the batch files, if you will use them!</p></blockquote></div><p>I know, i used startstop first to speed down the drive <img src="http://forum.redump.org/img/smilies/roll.png" width="15" height="15" alt="roll" /> <img src="http://forum.redump.org/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Devcon]]></name>
				<uri>http://forum.redump.org/user/38/</uri>
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			<updated>2008-11-13T17:56:55Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Help me decide with a cd-reader please.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Btw, there&#039;s one more thing you should know:</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>&lt;Vigi&gt; yeah, when you push the tray back you have to do it with a certain amount of force (but still gently) so that it locks again.. but only some brands can be fooled this way</p></blockquote></div>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[F1ReB4LL]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-11-13T17:12:03Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Help me decide with a cd-reader please.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>you should use a tool like <a href="http://www.mediafire.com/?nytmnm2mnje">startstop</a> to speed up/down the drive to avoid damages on disc and drive <img src="http://forum.redump.org/img/smilies/tongue.png" width="15" height="15" alt="tongue" /></p><p>***just edit the batch files, if you will use them!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[iR0b0t]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-11-13T16:38:44Z</updated>
			<id>http://forum.redump.org/post/13209/#p13209</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Help me decide with a cd-reader please.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Well, i tried using the trap-disc method and don&#039;t work for my reader, i opened an closed the tray a lot of times, but don&#039;t work, in fact, the reader scratched a little the game cd <img src="http://forum.redump.org/img/smilies/hmm.png" width="15" height="15" alt="hmm" /> but anyway thanks for the tip.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Devcon]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-11-13T15:15:29Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Help me decide with a cd-reader please.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>1) You can dump the whole CD, even if you can&#039;t read the last track completely due to your drive&#039;s reading offset.<br />2) You can determine the write offset using the &#039;Plextor&#039;s&#039; method (by looking at the first sector in scrambled form). You don&#039;t need to use the px_d8 tool, just use IsoBuster&#039;s sector view on the 0 sector for the same output.<br />3) You can even dump such things as Saturn rings, for example.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[F1ReB4LL]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-11-12T08:21:59Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Help me decide with a cd-reader please.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>F1ReB4LL: What&#039;s the advantage of using a trapdisc with regular CDs?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[ssjkakaroto]]></name>
				<uri>http://forum.redump.org/user/4223/</uri>
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			<updated>2008-11-12T00:10:01Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Help me decide with a cd-reader please.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Devcon wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>F1ReB4LL wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I still suggest you to try the trapdisc method.</p></blockquote></div><p>Sorry but i think the trapdisc method was only available to dump DC GD-Rom drives? It works on PSX games too? I can&#039;t see that method in the main psx dumping guide, can you point me to it please? <img src="http://forum.redump.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p></blockquote></div><p>You can dump everything. You don&#039;t need a hacked image, though, just generate a 700mb empty file and burn it on CD-RW as audiotrack, then use it as trapdisc.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[F1ReB4LL]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-11-11T16:13:30Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Help me decide with a cd-reader please.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>ssjkakaroto wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>@Devcon: Did you test the other drives?</p></blockquote></div><p>I only tested it with the LG GSA4167b (overread Lead-In) and a Toshiba SD-M1402 (no overread at all). Today if i have time i will test the LG CRD-8483B <img src="http://forum.redump.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Devcon]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-11-11T04:13:28Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Help me decide with a cd-reader please.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>F1ReB4LL wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>ssjkakaroto wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Use the one that can overread into the leadout.</p></blockquote></div><p>AFAIK, only Plextors have this feature, but I&#039;ve heard some rumors, that some recent LGs also support it (though, PerfectRip doesn&#039;t work with them, anyway). You can try to use the trap disc method, though (but, again, not all the drives allow it).</p></blockquote></div><p>There are plenty of drives (old ones) that can overread into the leadout. What is exclusive of plextors is the D8 read command.</p><p>@Devcon: Did you test the other drives?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[ssjkakaroto]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-11-11T03:30:41Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>F1ReB4LL wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I still suggest you to try the trapdisc method.</p></blockquote></div><p>Sorry but i think the trapdisc method was only available to dump DC GD-Rom drives? It works on PSX games too? I can&#039;t see that method in the main psx dumping guide, can you point me to it please? <img src="http://forum.redump.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Devcon]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-11-11T01:07:29Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I still suggest you to try the trapdisc method.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[F1ReB4LL]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-11-10T23:06:19Z</updated>
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