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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Discs with unique IDs in files]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="http://forum.redump.org/post/72506/#p72506" />
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Just to be clear:</p><p>The discs that prompted me to post this thread are not bad burns. They intentionally have a file with a random number in it. That is, each disc was technically a custom one-off burn created by a DVD-burning station, probably with a robot disc changer so the publisher could make a stack of a few hundred quickly.</p><p>They are also <em>not</em> otherwise identical to the release version of the game. Some of them are from months before the release build, and others have debug functionality enabled.</p><p>In other words, even without making other assumptions, these are very unique versions of the games. There were likely never versions of these discs made that didn&#039;t each have a unique ID file.</p><p>user7, I have a few like that as well, however, I err on the side of submitting them because of the somewhat-recent discovery that some PS2 master discs had prototype data used as disc padding. That is, even if the game data looks virtually identical, there may be something unusual that&#039;s not visible in the filesystem.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Cut Into Fourteen Pieces]]></name>
				<uri>http://forum.redump.org/user/62790/</uri>
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			<updated>2019-08-21T13:21:21Z</updated>
			<id>http://forum.redump.org/post/72506/#p72506</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Discs with unique IDs in files]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="http://forum.redump.org/post/72151/#p72151" />
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>Redump already modifies data by not using rawdump</p></blockquote></div><p>The best way to preserve the disc is to scan it with microsocope. Period <img src="http://forum.redump.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[reentrant]]></name>
				<uri>http://forum.redump.org/user/62415/</uri>
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			<updated>2019-08-06T14:44:42Z</updated>
			<id>http://forum.redump.org/post/72151/#p72151</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Discs with unique IDs in files]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="http://forum.redump.org/post/72149/#p72149" />
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Regarding sensitivety of the data: that&#039;s a valid concern, but only for recent discs. And the data should still be stored, but kept private for a while.</p><p>I don&#039;t think the rawdump comparison is valid. Redump dumping methods are &quot;natural&quot;/replicable ways of interpreting the data - not something that is done manually to fix something that is seen as mistake.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Hiccup]]></name>
				<uri>http://forum.redump.org/user/62447/</uri>
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			<updated>2019-08-06T13:27:49Z</updated>
			<id>http://forum.redump.org/post/72149/#p72149</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Discs with unique IDs in files]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="http://forum.redump.org/post/72114/#p72114" />
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Redump already modifies data by not using rawdump. We&#039;re organizing data in a useful way. Fixing bad mastering falls in line with that. Just note and offer patches for the bad parts.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[user7]]></name>
				<uri>http://forum.redump.org/user/6888/</uri>
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			<updated>2019-08-04T13:52:22Z</updated>
			<id>http://forum.redump.org/post/72114/#p72114</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Discs with unique IDs in files]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with F1ReB4LL on this.<br />When you are dumping/doing preservation work, you should not be hacking things to compliance or to &quot;intended&quot; values, even if that feels convenient and/or reduces number of dumps. You are supposed to be documenting the disc itself (not just the data that is on a disc). Nothing more, no less. If the disc is crap, you have to document a crap disc, not make it look nice and proper.</p><p>In my opinion, any other approaches would be exactly the same big NO-NO like an archaeologist discarding a fragment of bone or pottery because he has already thousands of very very similar fragments. Or to correct a grammatical error in an ancient script because what was actually written and what was intended to be written were not the same.</p><p>I agree that this approach may feel counter intuitive to the layman and that it is even pointless from a gamer&#039;s or rom collector&#039;s point of view. However, preservation is just coincidentally useful to these categories and should not be going out of its&#039; way to cater for such needs. Documenting discs is the point here. At least that&#039;s how I understand the project.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Maddog]]></name>
				<uri>http://forum.redump.org/user/62793/</uri>
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			<updated>2019-08-04T10:15:10Z</updated>
			<id>http://forum.redump.org/post/72111/#p72111</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Discs with unique IDs in files]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="http://forum.redump.org/post/72094/#p72094" />
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Betas are betas, if they were burned that way, yes, we need the hundreds of entries to document them properly. Or to ignore and not to add them at all.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[F1ReB4LL]]></name>
				<uri>http://forum.redump.org/user/13/</uri>
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			<updated>2019-08-03T18:18:14Z</updated>
			<id>http://forum.redump.org/post/72094/#p72094</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Discs with unique IDs in files]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>If you don&#039;t treat betas differently, you could have hundreds of entries for the same builds with a few byte differences just because the burner used some crap software / poor quality discs.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[user7]]></name>
				<uri>http://forum.redump.org/user/6888/</uri>
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			<updated>2019-08-03T17:16:58Z</updated>
			<id>http://forum.redump.org/post/72093/#p72093</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Discs with unique IDs in files]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="http://forum.redump.org/post/72091/#p72091" />
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>for example Total NBA 98 was handled correctly</p></blockquote></div><p>It wasn&#039;t. You shouldn&#039;t look at the checksums/entries from the pokerom collector&#039;s view.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[F1ReB4LL]]></name>
				<uri>http://forum.redump.org/user/13/</uri>
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			<updated>2019-08-03T16:58:29Z</updated>
			<id>http://forum.redump.org/post/72091/#p72091</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Discs with unique IDs in files]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="http://forum.redump.org/post/72079/#p72079" />
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>F1ReB4LL wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>That&#039;s surely a mistake, these need to be added as separate entries. Just look at the Saturn or Mega CD pre-releases - many of them have the same data, but only differ in gaps or have a differently shifted audio.</p></blockquote></div><p>And I wouldn&#039;t call our current handling of those sega systems ideal.</p><p>Non-pressed discs should be treated differently - for example Total NBA 98 was handled correctly.<br />I have a couple PS2 final betas I never submitted to redump because I don&#039;t believe an 8-byte difference warrants having an entry or collecting a rom for. However the result is that the particular disc is not accounted for in redump.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[user7]]></name>
				<uri>http://forum.redump.org/user/6888/</uri>
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			<updated>2019-08-03T11:37:07Z</updated>
			<id>http://forum.redump.org/post/72079/#p72079</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Discs with unique IDs in files]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="http://forum.redump.org/post/72075/#p72075" />
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>user7 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I think just as often, mismatching could be bad mastering.</p></blockquote></div><p>That&#039;s surely a mistake, these need to be added as separate entries. Just look at the Saturn or Mega CD pre-releases - many of them have the same data, but only differ in gaps or have a differently shifted audio.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[F1ReB4LL]]></name>
				<uri>http://forum.redump.org/user/13/</uri>
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			<updated>2019-08-03T08:35:43Z</updated>
			<id>http://forum.redump.org/post/72075/#p72075</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Discs with unique IDs in files]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="http://forum.redump.org/post/72038/#p72038" />
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I think just as often, mismatching could be bad mastering.</p><p>For example, read the comments: <a href="http://redump.org/disc/607/">http://redump.org/disc/607/</a></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[user7]]></name>
				<uri>http://forum.redump.org/user/6888/</uri>
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			<updated>2019-08-02T16:16:06Z</updated>
			<id>http://forum.redump.org/post/72038/#p72038</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Discs with unique IDs in files]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="http://forum.redump.org/post/72037/#p72037" />
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Hiccup wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>This unique data would then be listed in the comment.</p></blockquote></div><p>I don&#039;t think we can do that. If this is an identifier ID, then there is a reason why developers have implemented it in the first place, namely to identify the source of a leaked disc. We cannot publish such information.</p><p>There must be a or multiple master discs which don&#039;t have an identifier ID set, or maybe already set to a transparent ID.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[iR0b0t]]></name>
				<uri>http://forum.redump.org/user/4357/</uri>
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			<updated>2019-08-02T16:09:54Z</updated>
			<id>http://forum.redump.org/post/72037/#p72037</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Discs with unique IDs in files]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="http://forum.redump.org/post/72035/#p72035" />
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>It would be nice to have xdelta patches attached to entries for such items. Ideally the CRC32 for all variants would still show up in searches.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[user7]]></name>
				<uri>http://forum.redump.org/user/6888/</uri>
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			<updated>2019-08-02T16:01:47Z</updated>
			<id>http://forum.redump.org/post/72035/#p72035</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Discs with unique IDs in files]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="http://forum.redump.org/post/72032/#p72032" />
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I can think of two ways to do it (within the current database):</p><p>1. Each disc would have a different entry, but with a comment/tag explainging that its the same as the other discs apart from the ID<br />2. There would only be one entry for the discs and the hash is of the disc with the unique data FF&#039;d/00&#039;d out. This unique data would then be listed in the comment.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Hiccup]]></name>
				<uri>http://forum.redump.org/user/62447/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2019-08-02T15:16:15Z</updated>
			<id>http://forum.redump.org/post/72032/#p72032</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Discs with unique IDs in files]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="http://forum.redump.org/post/72031/#p72031" />
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>What are people&#039;s thoughts on how to handle game prototypes or other CD/DVD/BD-R releases where each disc has a different hash because of unique identifiers in one or more files on the disc?</p><p>I know that this affects Capcom prototypes in the Xbox 360 era, probably other publishers too.</p><p>Most prototypes were probably destroyed or lost, but in a worst case scenario, it&#039;s possible that there might be a few hundred entries for the same edition, all with different hashes. Same for any indie releases that have watermarked files or similar.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Cut Into Fourteen Pieces]]></name>
				<uri>http://forum.redump.org/user/62790/</uri>
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			<updated>2019-08-02T15:12:02Z</updated>
			<id>http://forum.redump.org/post/72031/#p72031</id>
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