Redump Forum — Suggestion: State the version in the dat name even if there is only 1

Re: Suggestion: State the version in the dat name even if there is only 1

2018-05-29T16:06:57Z

I do definitely prefer revisions, or "start at v1.00" versions to "v1.20, v1.21" etc, but if the former isn't available, isn't it better to have the latter than have nothing? Unless there is a better way to differentiate them, like edition.

Re: Suggestion: State the version in the dat name even if there is only 1

2018-05-29T13:34:39Z

"Tales of Destiny 2 (Japan) (4, 5)" for http://redump.org/disc/15921/ would look weird, IMO. On the other hand, I can't completely agree with the versions in filenames in such cases: http://redump.org/disc/31934/ http://redump.org/disc/25815/ - v1.20 and v2.00 mean absolutely nothing. These should be either "7 (Seven) - Molmorth no Kiheitai (Japan) (v1.0)"/"7 (Seven) - Molmorth no Kiheitai (Japan) (v1.1)" or "7 (Seven) - Molmorth no Kiheitai (Japan) (1)"/"7 (Seven) - Molmorth no Kiheitai (Japan) (3)". Dunno. Maybe worth to use the Saturn/DC naming here and call these "7 (Seven) - Molmorth no Kiheitai (Japan) (1M)"/"7 (Seven) - Molmorth no Kiheitai (Japan) (3M)" where M means Matrix, though, Saturn and DC have these Ms on their rings. Maybe something like "7 (Seven) - Molmorth no Kiheitai (Japan) (Matrix 1)"/"7 (Seven) - Molmorth no Kiheitai (Japan) (Matrix 3)". We need to show the undumped ringcodes, not some useless internal versions. Same for PS1, Neo-Geo CD and other similar cases.

Re: Suggestion: State the version in the dat name even if there is only 1

2018-05-29T12:17:24Z

The versions might look silly be because of all the other stuff tacked on

Re: Suggestion: State the version in the dat name even if there is only 1

2018-05-29T12:03:15Z

https://github.com/libretro/libretro-da … Saturn.dat -- versions look useless and distracting here. As well as publishers.

Re: Suggestion: State the version in the dat name even if there is only 1

2018-05-29T11:23:47Z

Okay. Well I guess you agree with me about Nintendo discs then.

Could you link to these TOSECISO names and explain what is wrong with them?

Re: Suggestion: State the version in the dat name even if there is only 1

2018-05-29T11:05:45Z

And what I'm trying to say is that the version should be visible if it clearly states the revision, like in the Nintendo's case. Check the old TOSECISO names for Saturn, for example. They are terrible.

Re: Suggestion: State the version in the dat name even if there is only 1

2018-05-29T11:00:18Z

What I (in regards to Nintendo discs) and Egen (in regards to PC discs) are saying is that the version should be visible in the name because it is very useful info. The game doesn't necessarily have to have any other version.

Re: Suggestion: State the version in the dat name even if there is only 1

2018-05-29T10:14:32Z

PS2 (as well as Sega systems) versions aren't tied to revisions, so you can't easily predict the missing ones. Like, http://redump.org/disc/39485/ is v1.04, but if to name it according to the version/revision, it should be v1.0/Rev 0 due to its ringcode that ends with "1". http://redump.org/disc/22458/ -- v2.01, ends with "1", so the earlier ones, like v2.00, don't exist _for this serial_ (which differs from the original release, which is http://redump.org/disc/15921/ which is v1.01, ringcodes end with 4 and 5, so it's worth to look for 1 or 2 with the possible v1.00 inside). TimeSplitters v2.00's ringcode ends with "4" and you can't say for sure, whether "1", "2" and "3" would differ or not until you find and dump all the missing rings.

Re: Suggestion: State the version in the dat name even if there is only 1

2018-05-29T09:18:37Z

I have never understood why having less of this type of information is good. People want to add a million-character-long string of characters like "En,Fr,Es,Jp,Ah,Uv,Il,Tx,Pv,Is" to a filename because it the game has some language choices, but a version number which is like four characters long we don't want to add. Why not? It's not like you can even search "Fr" in the filenames and only come up with games that include French because the string "Fr" is way too common... so we could argue that it's preeeeeeeetty useless to add those strings... but then for version numbers we ask "why would we do that."

But then I'm trying to figure out the logic of a project that goes back like 15 years which is kind of silly, no offense to anyone. It starts out one way and then people don't want to have to change x amount of years of naming conventions, and also opinions, etc. But I think leaving out the version numbers was always a huge mistake. I personally add them to every file I get when it makes it to my hard drive.

EDIT: Re-worded the first sentence and to explain it... a version number is identifying information about what you're playing, and to assume that something doesn't have a different version is very foolish. I came around and dumped a 1.10 of TimeSplitters 6 years after the 2.00 had been dumped, and to my knowledge it wasn't "obvious" or "known" that there was a 1.10; both are black label and plenty of games exist with versions higher than 1.xx without a 1.xx—THAT WE KNOW OF. That's the whole point. Then you just have to go back changing all the games that we find new versions for. It's a bit of a silly method and to... what, save like 5 characters off the filename?

Re: Suggestion: State the version in the dat name even if there is only 1

2018-05-29T07:35:11Z

I was suggesting that for Nintendo discs, the revision is always displayed.
I don't have any experience with PC discs, so I won't comment on that.

Re: Suggestion: State the version in the dat name even if there is only 1

2018-05-29T05:34:35Z

Jackal wrote:

Didnt read all the posts, but when there's multiple versions released of a game, and one of them is undumped, the version can be added to the filename for the one that is dumped. Is that what you mean with New Super Mario Bros. Wii?

When the only currently known release is internally marked as a revised version (so, an earlier one is highly likely to exist, just hasn't been found yet).

Re: Suggestion: State the version in the dat name even if there is only 1

2018-05-29T04:56:00Z

Didnt read all the posts, but when there's multiple versions released of a game, and one of them is undumped, the version can be added to the filename for the one that is dumped. Is that what you mean with New Super Mario Bros. Wii?

Re: Suggestion: State the version in the dat name even if there is only 1

2018-05-29T03:07:10Z

My position on this issue:
For most consoles: Meh, go ahead. Nintendo and Sony make sure version info is consistent. Don't do this for the GameWave though.

For PC: NO NO NO NO NO NO!

Version info is FAR too messy on PC for this to be in the filename. It doesn't belong there.

If you disagree, look at these and consider what the revised filename would be:
http://redump.org/disc/21147/
http://redump.org/disc/45369/
http://redump.org/disc/49850/

And I believe putting the version information for http://redump.org/disc/11223/ in the filename will break stuff since slashes aren't allowed on Windows files. Yes, that game has two versions. Running sshock.exe gives a version of F1.6S, and running cdshock.exe gives a version of F1.6C.

Besides, I doubt Jackal will ever agree to this change.

Re: Suggestion: State the version in the dat name even if there is only 1

2018-05-28T16:56:55Z

You are correct about No-Intro.

No-Intro mostly covers systems that use revisions, so most of the "versions" do start at "v1.00".

Re: Suggestion: State the version in the dat name even if there is only 1

2018-05-28T16:40:37Z

johnsanc wrote:

However, even that has caveats. For example there may be 1.01 without a 1.00 ever existing.

Still, nothing bad in calling it (v1.01) to motivate people to look/check for (v1.00). Again, as far as I understand, No-Intro names their roms according to the version/revision, if known, even if the existence of the earlier ones is only suggested, not proven.