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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: SecuROM question]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>sarami wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>This is also why we&#039;re not hosting full subchannels: It&#039;s almost impossible to obtain 100% clean unaltered subs.</p></blockquote></div><p>Clean subs != unaltered subs: while it&#039;s relatively easy to obtain the 100% clean subs, it&#039;s hard to obtain the unaltered ones (leaving all the original errors and fixing all the read errors, including 1-bit ones).</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Jackal wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I think nobody here ever really looked into the ways of preserving the Data Positioning Measurement data, because the format is proprietary/undocumented and the results seem to be different for each drive and even on the same drive if it&#039;s dumped multiple times or at different speeds.</p></blockquote></div><p>Of course, because it&#039;s not &quot;data&quot;, it&#039;s just a series of time measurements between reading certain sectors/areas of the disc. Since it depends on the drive&#039;s mechanics, the results may vary among different trials.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[F1ReB4LL]]></name>
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			<updated>2017-08-12T15:31:22Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: SecuROM question]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>DPM is a phisical protection and alcohol 52/120 perhaps records the LBA that reading takes more times in mds. Of course, the time when a drive reads a disc differs with each drive and each pc.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>This is also why we&#039;re not hosting full subchannels: It&#039;s almost impossible to obtain 100% clean unaltered subs.</p></blockquote></div><p>Yes, but only subQ channel uses CRC16. So about only subQ, it&#039;s possible to obtain clean subs.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[sarami]]></name>
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			<updated>2017-08-11T17:00:52Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: SecuROM question]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Not eager to respond to all your questions, because you don&#039;t bother replying to my pm&#039;s either, but I&#039;ll say this about DPM:</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>also this might be a dumb question, but is there any possible way to get an 100% accurate descriptor file or is this just one of those things that our drives can&#039;t do 1:1?</p></blockquote></div><p>I think nobody here ever really looked into the ways of preserving the Data Positioning Measurement data, because the format is proprietary/undocumented and the results seem to be different for each drive and even on the same drive if it&#039;s dumped multiple times or at different speeds. We could&#039;ve gone the trurip way on this and preserve a single dump, but redump is about verifiable results. This is also why we&#039;re not hosting full subchannels: It&#039;s almost impossible to obtain 100% clean unaltered subs. Maybe this approach doesn&#039;t help preservation in the end, but since it&#039;s essentially metadata, it can always be added at a later time once a sensible preservation method is chosen. The SecuROM subchannel data was added 10 years later, but it only took us a couple months to recover more than half of the missing data (although some discs are missing the pregap sector).<br />It would be interesting to get some more info on exactly how the DPM data is retrieved and stored. If anyone has this info, feel free to let us know. Maybe a better way of preserving this would be to retrieve the accepted range of values from the game binaries in some way that the game checks for (good luck with that).</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Jackal]]></name>
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			<updated>2017-08-11T07:00:32Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Come to a solution. <br />The problem is 96 bytes attached to the end of every sector, which I assume is Alcohol attaching the SubChannel data to the disc image. I was nearly ready to write a quick application to chop off these 96 bytes, but I found out if you load the mds/mdf in isobuster and dump it RAW then you will retrieve the 1:1 disc image. No need to keep two files for archival purposes.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[comradesean]]></name>
				<uri>http://forum.redump.org/user/62405/</uri>
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			<updated>2017-08-10T21:30:34Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[SecuROM question]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;ve been avoiding my secuROM discs for a while now because of the inability to 1:1 compare the checksums, but I want to jump in and take care of them now. My only concern is that the guide is fairly vague on what a good dump is.</p><p>I notice when I dump it in Alcohol 120% that I get an *.mdf and a *.mds file, but the guide says I only need to keep the mds file. Is there a way I can attach the mds descriptor to the iso I dumped with isobuster? Or do I also have to keep the mdf file in my backup?</p><p>I&#039;ve tried hex editing the mdf file and switching the *...m.d.f to *...i.s.o, but this just causes the resulting file to be unmountable.</p><br /><p>also this might be a dumb question, but is there any possible way to get an 100% accurate descriptor file or is this just one of those things that our drives can&#039;t do 1:1?</p><br /><p>edit: this is regarding CD SecuROM. I just dumped a DVD and apparently the mdf &amp; iso I created match checksums and I can hex edit the mds to load it as iso without problems.</p><br /><p>edit: So none of my DVDs are dumping properly. I&#039;ve tried 8x and 1x speeds so far for the mds, but I keep getting error 1000 or unable to find original disc when mounted in alcohol. Is the plextor bad for DPM analysis?<br />secondedit: Yeah, dumped another mds at 8x on my laptop and it got through copy protection. Not sure what&#039;s up with my Plextor.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[comradesean]]></name>
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			<updated>2017-07-13T23:04:40Z</updated>
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